HN is a mix of serious complaints and trolling, and it's often difficult to separate the two just by reading what's written on the page.
Ultimately, everything everyone does can be considered evil. Plant a tree? That tree is turning CO2 into oxygen that a murderer will one day breathe. How could you aid and abet a murderer like that? You're evil!
Maybe Google will someday be truly evil, but you don't have to make that decision now. Ultimately, you're deriving income and enjoyment working on a programming language that will improve software engineers' ability to produce high-quality computer programs. The language, libraries, and discussions are open for anyone in the world to participate in. You're not doing anything wrong, and you shouldn't have to justify your actions to anyone but yourself.
I think the real criticisms of Dart boil down to: "I don't want to learn a new programming language, and if some random crackpot was making Dart, I wouldn't have to. But with Google's engineering prowess behind the project, it's probably going to be popular, and I'll have to learn it. Better kill it while I still can."
Really, that's a completely reasonable reaction to a new technology. If the new technology replaces the old technology, it means someone invested in the old technology loses everything: their reputation in the community of programmers, their familiarity with tools and libraries, and everything they've ever done with their life as a programmer. That's pretty scary, so there's going to be resistance on programming forums when you suggest a new way to do things, and I think that's what this thread has devolved into. FUD is a good way to make other people emotional, and there's safety when other people share your views. Doesn't mean the views are correct, however.
You believe that anyone critical of Dart is deliberately trying to sabotage it because they are too lazy to learn another language ? Give us a break with this ridiculous drivel.
I am critical of it because I am sick of companies coming up with their own proprietary technologies and trying to force it as a defacto standard. It hurts developers. It hurts consumers. It has real economic and productivity costs. It undermines the fabric and stability of the web as a platform for humanities' information.
Google, Microsoft, Mozilla and Apple have a responsibility to work together to create open, widely adopted standards. And they all deserve criticism when they deviate from this.
"Coming up with their own proprietary technologies" - Considering Dart is completely OSS and is being developed in the open and has a goal to standardize the language after its release, by "proprietary" I'm assuming you mean it was actually realized and physically developed by engineers and sponsored by a Company?
Dunno, wanting standards is one thing, but I don't think it would result in these long rants. I have to think they're motivated by fear, and I'm only speculating as to what that fear is.
Ultimately, everything everyone does can be considered evil. Plant a tree? That tree is turning CO2 into oxygen that a murderer will one day breathe. How could you aid and abet a murderer like that? You're evil!
Maybe Google will someday be truly evil, but you don't have to make that decision now. Ultimately, you're deriving income and enjoyment working on a programming language that will improve software engineers' ability to produce high-quality computer programs. The language, libraries, and discussions are open for anyone in the world to participate in. You're not doing anything wrong, and you shouldn't have to justify your actions to anyone but yourself.
I think the real criticisms of Dart boil down to: "I don't want to learn a new programming language, and if some random crackpot was making Dart, I wouldn't have to. But with Google's engineering prowess behind the project, it's probably going to be popular, and I'll have to learn it. Better kill it while I still can."
Really, that's a completely reasonable reaction to a new technology. If the new technology replaces the old technology, it means someone invested in the old technology loses everything: their reputation in the community of programmers, their familiarity with tools and libraries, and everything they've ever done with their life as a programmer. That's pretty scary, so there's going to be resistance on programming forums when you suggest a new way to do things, and I think that's what this thread has devolved into. FUD is a good way to make other people emotional, and there's safety when other people share your views. Doesn't mean the views are correct, however.