There is still a difference here at play you haven't addressed yet: "posting" here sounds like its some form of direct speech i.e. the author is using the nword as part of their terminology. The context is what is the deciding factor. Does the display of a specific cultural artifact stand to represent itself and and thus point towards its own specific context, or is it a stand in for the authors speech, with a thin veneer of displacement of authorship that ambiguates thuer racist bias. The argument against classist bigotry is also "just something to think about" and not identified specifically with saying the n-word" Also there might be some contexts in which this identity might be a valid argument - e.g. some works of black artist/thinkers/writers philosophers etc. (E.g. sylvia wynters ceremony must be found, the music of aanderson paak etc.) Well thinking about it: As a rule of thumb it seems pretty reasonable to not converse with people who >>post<< the nword as long as it is not a dogma that takes the responsibilty of contextual awareness away. (Not certain about the context here, haven't properly read the article)

Right?! I feel like we must be being trolled.

Short of something like the recent event with the chap with Tourette's saying awful things at the BAFTA awards, or Terry Davis with schizophrenia saying outlandish stuff, there aren't many scenarios where I'd be willing to give someone a pass on this.

If you have the ability to choose not to use the n-word, and you're not in a group that can use it self-referentially among your peers, and you use it anyway, then you're an asshole and I don't really care to hear what else you have to say. I feel pretty OK with that blanket assessment.

> Short of something like the recent event with the chap with Tourette's saying awful things at the BAFTA awards, or Terry Davis with schizophrenia saying outlandish stuff, there aren't many scenarios where I'd be willing to give someone a pass on this.

"There are some scenarios where you might want to give people a pass for reasons outside their control" is literally the only point I was trying to make

So I guess we are in violent agreement?

Edit: also, you will never actually discover which people you should give the benefit of the doubt if you categorically dismiss anyone who uses language you dislike

Speaking as one, I have found that I have never gotten "grace" from most folks. A few folks have been especially patient with me, over the years, and for that, I'm grateful; but they haven't been the norm.

I used to go to Japan, quite often, and watched Americans violating societal norms, all the time. The Japanese were usually fairly good at not lashing back, but I could see them visibly restraining themselves, sometimes. Over the course of about a decade, I learned to at least respect their ways. I found the Germans to be less accepting of annoying Americans (and I was one). I learned a lot quicker, there.

I know that many folks think that self-diagnosing as "on the spectrum" is considered some kind of "get out of jail asshole" card, but that's just an urban myth. If you're an asshole, you'll usually be treated like one; no matter the reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrblUUIG8So

> Speaking as one, I have found that I have never gotten "grace" from most folks. A few folks have been especially patient with me, over the years, and for that, I'm grateful; but they haven't been the norm

This mirrors my experience too. I think my bitterness about that is on full display in this thread

Well, in my case, I had to learn that I live in the NT (neurotypical) world; not the other way around. It's my job to adapt, and it's unreasonable for me to assume that others will, for me.

In my experience, it's been worth it.

Growing up overseas, in many different cultures, I think, has helped me with this.

I wish you luck.

Oh behalf of the neurodivergent people surrounding me, 100% of whom successfully resist any temptation to say the n-word in my presence that they may ever feel, it's reprehensible that you're conflating racism and neurodiversity. I've never, not once, ever, heard someone blame their racism on ADHD.

You've never encountered someone who is pretty autistic and doesn't care about (or perhaps understand) the social consequences of using slurs?

Or someone bipolar who gets kind of erratic and can say really out of character stuff when they are going through a manic episode?

Or someone with tourettes that might say something that pops in their head unexpectedly?

Sure thing about ADHD. You're right that people with the executive function disorder don't tend to blurt wild social faux pas. But there are also people with social function disorders who might.

It doesn't necessarily mean they are terrible people

This is an insultingly narrow definition of "neurodivergent" limited to people with profound impediments to social functions.

I'd already explicitly excluded people with Tourette's and other major challenges, but you knew that, so now I presume you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Have a nice day.

I just want you to know I'm similarly frustrated with you and also feel you are arguing just to argue, and deliberately trying to take my words in the worst possible light

Like seriously.

> This is an insultingly narrow definition of "neurodivergent"?

No! I'm trying to define it as a broader scope of behaviors than just "my friends with ADHD" like you did!

What a frustrating interaction. I hope you're pleased with yourself

"You don't see how that is exclusionary to people who struggle with norms" - I quite literally made a carve-out for exactly that situation.

Does your neuro-divergence also make it hard to read the exact point that I made, or are you just trying to be difficult?