Hacker Timesnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

> I guarantee you, you’re giving money to people much worse than him every time you shop, without realizing it.

Your assumption lies on the "without realizing it".

If you realize how bad the people are, you can do something about it.

The likes of Musk are extremely bad, and have been personally responsible for many, many abhorrent developments in both national and foreign stages.

Thus, it's natural that people avoid anything which is directly and indirectly tied to the likes of Elon Musk.

Don't you agree?

 help



Everything is indirectly tied to musk. A well balanced portfolio has exposure to virtually everything on this planet. You buy nappies, you’re indirectly financing Musk. You post “i really want this” on hn, you’re indirectly financing Musk.

> If you realize how bad the people are, you can do something about it.

The problem is you have no idea what people are invested in what companies. How do you know that when you shop at $friendlySustainableCompany that people like Musk do not have shares there?


> The problem is you have no idea what people are invested in what companies.

That's not an argument that justifies in any way ignoring the people you do know.

Do you think it's ok to ignore the far-right activist who has been deeply involved in election fraud?


I can only be responsible for what I'm aware of, or can reasonably be expected to be aware of.

I, too, have a Starlink account for emergency backup service that I plan to switch over to Amazon LEO as soon as it's available. Lesser-evil principle at work again. Yes, there are things that aren't great about Amazon, but Amazon's practices are largely in sync with my capitalist values.

Musk's businesses are also compatible with my capitalist values, but those values don't include his special additional bonus values of Nazi-adjacent behavior, association with known pedophiles, sabotaging the government, or active subversion of elections. It's not a religious thing, it's just that given a choice, I'd rather support someone else.


> I can only be responsible for what I'm aware of, or can reasonably be expected to be aware of.

Not a valid legal defence. I think we need to build tooling that makes moral stances like yours easier to adhere to, then see how people react when they realize just how impossible it is.


It certainly isn't as impossible as swearing an oath of purity that requires me to do business only with companies that swear a similar oath to harm no one else's interests. I can't carry on the ordinary business of life under such conditions, and neither can you.

There are degrees of antisocial behavior, and there's a limit to what I will tolerate from others and indulge in myself. That limit is not zero, to be honest, but it's far from the standard set by Musk.




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: