It’s interesting how singularly passionate you are about Kitty, with almost all of your comments for the last year (or longer) being about Kitty.
Don’t you have something more interesting to do with your time than to find opportunities to say: nah Kitty is better ;)
I was just finding something to be impressed about, considering it has only just gone public and open source (as opposed to a mature project with established GitHub presence and flow of contributions).
Oh boy, that actually explains a lot! And this whole time he was accusing me of being insincere XD
Also explains why he suddenly had no time to talk further when ghostty’s author offered to have a call elsewhere in this thread. Just here to advertise his terminal.
I must say, I quite like how ghostty’s author has conducted himself. Might give ghostty a try once it’s packaged for my distro and first few rounds of bugfixes are in.
Yup kitty revolutionized my terminal experience, hence the passion. I am sorry but since you seem to be passionate enough about ghostty to try to shill it in a article about a security vulnerability in it, I don't think you have a leg to stand on when it comes to complaining about my posts.
If you want to claim that ghostty is developed very rapidly it behoves you to do a little research and compare it against its peers before making that claim.
Kitty has been my terminal for years. I haven’t even used ghostty. I’m not shilling anything. Good grief. Try looking in a mirror.
I was making a good faith comment just adding something positive. No need to turn it into a war. It’s strange (and just wrong) that you think I need to review the development velocity of all other projects before being impressed by something. Actually, no. To be impressed by the rainbow outside my window, I need not have seen and reviewed all other rainbows.
I’ve made zero HN comments about Firefox, Thunderbird and Blender. But I must be lying when I say I use those every day.
You seem to have interpreted my original comment as a declaration of ghostty’s superiority. It wasn’t. Not every positive comment about a piece of software must also be interpreted as an attack on another piece of software, such that you have to come to its defence.
Though perhaps you will tell me I’m forbidden from being impressed by any terminal other than Kitty, and certainly not God-forbid actually share that thought on HN!
It’s actually possible to make a positive comment about something and for it to be sincere. These are not mutually exclusive.
Though it seems if there’s a positive comment about a terminal that you don’t personally think deserves it, the commenter must be a shill.
Honestly quite bizarre how this sub-thread has turned out. What I thought was an innocent comment, you’ve turned into ghostty vs kitty. Not everything has to be turned into Vim vs Emacs, systemd vs anti-systemd, or which is objectively the best terminal. It’s possible to be impressed with ghostty’s release velocity without it being a judgment about Kitty or any other terminal or software project. But alas, in order to make a positive comment about ghostty, I must have already had a proven history of making positive comments about other terminals ;)
Personal attack? I just said it was interesting you mostly only comment about Kitty. Which is factually true. (It’s also not a criticism to be singularly passionate about something.) I’m often curious about people’s previous comments, it’s not some decision I made to research your comment history.
I make one, single, lone comment about ghostty. You regularly (almost exclusively) seize opportunities to talk about Kitty, especially in threads that are about other terminals. And I’m the shill? Ok.
You’ve also successfully set the goalposts up such that, even if I did have something to prove to you (which I don’t), I can’t prove anything anyway! It’s impossible to prove what terminal I use or don’t use. And impossible to go back and change my comment history. So, well played I guess ;)
> To wit, ghostty does not actually have a fast release velocity compared to its peers.
Sigh. I’ll explain again but seems like you don’t want to listen either ;)
My original comment didn’t have to spark a comparison war.
If I walk past a new flower shop in my village and remark at how beautiful the roses look, it isn’t criticizing all other flower shops and or saying this one has the best roses. Maybe I even already know a shop with better roses. It’s just a comment, not a declaration of superiority. It actually doesn’t matter if another shop sells better roses, it doesn’t make the initial comment wrong, worthless and worth shooting down.
Now let’s say 5 days after the shop opens, they leave the doors and till unlocked and the local news posts an article about it on the front page. The shop owner reacts quickly to improve security.
A little embarrassing perhaps. So seeing this, I think to say something encouraging instead of piling on negativity, because new businesses can be good for people but also face a lot of challenges.
> And I didn't feel the need to resort to personally attacking you to try to make my point. Something you should learn from.
Coming from the person repeatedly calling me a shill and a liar? Don’t make me laugh!
It seems you still don’t get it. You are the one that has turned this into ghostty vs kitty, not me. I suspect you understand the flower shop analogy but are just ignoring it because it doesn’t help your argument. At no point have I said that ghostty is better than kitty ;) I’m still using kitty as we speak, so my usual flower shop hasn’t changed.
It’s kind of sad that you are so upset that someone on the internet could possibly be impressed with ghostty’s 1.0.1 release notes. I have little interest in your take on it, because it is needlessly trolling on an innocent comment.
Possibly you should take note from the downvotes and flags on your comments here. No doubt you will blame the army of ghostty shills who have organised themselves into a globally coordinated voting ring. As for me, I take it as a signal that what you have to say on this thread isn’t particularly interesting or worth replying to.
Oh boy, you still don’t get it! The fact you saw it as something that needed refuting really says a lot more about you than anything else. It’s actually ok to let positive comments about other terminals go unrefuted and just get on with your life ;) But seemingly you can’t let it go.
By the way, nobody is choosing ghostty over kitty just because of the release notes for 1.0.1, so no need to fret! If I was shilling I’d have picked something more persuasive ;)
For anyone else following this disaster of a subthread, I’ve now realised “aumerle” is actually Kovid Goyal, the undisclaimed author of Kitty.
If I had to speculate, seems he’s just on edge that there’s a new kid on the block gaining popularity. A story as old as time!
> Still waiting for you to admit you were wrong in the first place.
It’s actually incredible you still don’t see. It’s impossible for my comment to be wrong, because I get to decide what I’m impressed by. Just because you wrote a terminal, doesn’t mean you suddenly have authority to tell others what they should or shouldn’t be impressed by. You have no such authority :) If I’d claimed that ghostty’s release velocity is better than kitty’s (or vice versa), then you’d have a point. But I didn’t ;)
> You have provided increasingly desperate personal attacks.
Actually, I haven’t. I also don’t have skin in the game and have no reason to be desperate. I haven’t devoted a significant amount of my time to writing a terminal, for example. And I don’t even use ghostty (yet).
Downvotes on your comments are still ticking up, as are upvotes on mine. I know it’s not kosher to talk about votes, but I don’t know what other signal you need to maybe take a break for a bit and calm down :)
> "It's impossible for me to be wrong" that right there tells us all we need to know about you.
Actually, it doesn’t, as it’s very clear you still don’t understand what I’m saying XD
If I was comparing ghostty to kitty, I can obviously be wrong. But I was just saying I’m impressed, which literally can’t be wrong unless I’m lying about being impressed.
It’s like if I look across a lake and say “what a lovely view”. And someone comes by and says “no there’s a much better one where I was standing, you should take back what you said or provide evidence to your claim”. Don’t you see how silly this is ;)
> Do you actually believe ghostty has a development velocity faster than its peers, specifically, kitty and WezTerm? Yes or no.
You said you didn’t give a “rat’s ass” about my opinion ;)
This is where you’ve gone wrong. It don’t know or care whether ghostty has a development velocity faster than kitty. I didn’t say it did. Nobody in this sub-thread has said anything (good or bad) about kitty. The only person interested in ghostty vs kitty in this sub-thread is you.
So the question you’re demanding that I answer is like demanding I prove that the view I was impressed with across the lake is better than the view you had. When it really doesn’t matter which view was better. It’s possible to be impressed by something in isolation, without it being turned into a competition.
I’m not answering your question because I have no part to play in the 1-person argument you’re having with yourself about whose development velocity is faster, when nobody was making the comparison to begin with (except you).
I feel like I’m wasting my breath though, but at least I can say I tried! And I suspect HN comment depth limits may kick in soon. So I’ll bow out now and give you the pleasure of the last word, since you certainly seem to need it more than me ;)
I see you can’t answer voxtech’s question, because your entire position would crumble to dust ;)
I hope you’ve had a chance to reflect and learn from this. Your responses and logical reasoning here has only made you look foolish. HN seems to agree, though people have actually done you a favor by flagging ~8 of your comments to death!
Don’t you have something more interesting to do with your time than to find opportunities to say: nah Kitty is better ;)
I was just finding something to be impressed about, considering it has only just gone public and open source (as opposed to a mature project with established GitHub presence and flow of contributions).