A company that requires overwork from its people, especially salaried people,
in order to sustain itself doesn't deserve to exist.
I find such strong visceral statements like this really curious and am trying to understand them. Do you resent people who want to work ridiculous hours? Or just the companies that expect their employees to put in overtime?
Do you resent companies that expect overtime from employees as sort of a shared sacrifice on the hopeful way to something like an IPO or buyout where everyone gets a reward for that sacrifice?
If I have a choice to work at company A where I can put in minimal hours and company B where the company expects me to put in "unpaid" overtime. Do you view company B as not deserving to exist?
Do you not support my desire to work in the company and environment that I wish to? Would it be for my own good for company B to be shut down?
Paid overtime is another
story and is a common aspect of the how the manufacturing sector works.
Are you under the impression that Google employees haven't been extraordinarily compensated for the hours they've put in?
This article makes me want to defenestrate myself and join the Socialist Party.
If only everyone who wanted to join the Socialist Party would defenestrate themselves. I commend you for that choice. :P I kid. I kid.
>Do you resent people who want to work ridiculous hours?
Hell no, if it makes them happy then that's fine, but if it starts producing burnout or interfering with their ability to perform, they need to ratchet it back and chill out. (Which has happened at my company, I've had to intervene and tell a coworker to relax and take some time off.)
My coworkers have nothing to prove to me by spending all day and night at the office.
>Or just the companies that expect their employees to put in overtime?
You're not really being precise enough. It depends on the reward structure and how frequent it is. The infrequent push to finish a release, fine. A consistent/constant expectation that salaried (no paid overtime at all) employees be working over ~40 hours a week is obscene. It's different, I'd argue, for lawyers and factory workers as their reward structures are a bit different.
>Do you view company B as not deserving to exist?
Only if said overtime is necessary for their business model to function. A business that has to abuse its own people in order to exist is just a scam hidden by abstraction and cultural acceptance. If it's doing so out of greed, then the reward structure needs revised. Law firms resolved this a long time ago.
>Do you not support my desire to work in the company and environment that I wish to?
I'm talking about abusing people who don't want to work all that overtime and spend time with their families. My company already has one person in particular who works odd/lots of hours. I don't begrudge him that, it's just an aspect of how he manages his time. My issue is with categorically expecting unpaid overtime of all employees, week-in, week-out with no real reward above the usual salary.
You appear to be constructing some sort of opposition to your preferred way of working when there is none.
>Are you under the impression that Google employees haven't been extraordinarily compensated for the hours they've put in?
Are you under the impression that Google is still minting millionaire chefs?
> You appear to be constructing some sort of opposition to your preferred way of working when there is none.
You said you wanted to kill yourself after reading an article about someone who talks about working hard and her management techniques at one of the most highly successful technology companies in the world that is listed as THE best company to work at in the country. Exactly how am I misunderstanding your own words and how much are you to blame for putting them together the way you did?
> Are you under the impression that Google is still minting millionaire chefs?
Seriously, number one in the country. I'm not exaggerating.
Just trying to probe the depths of the reasoning of someone posting something that's contrary to the conclusions I've drawn from life.
> What an immense waste of time.
If you say so. I gained another little data point in my mental model under the section of "Why do some people react so strongly against others who profess to work hard?" So, thanks.
In the context of Google, your use of the terms "forcing" and "commensurate reward" are decidedly oxymoronic. I'd make the case that in the US and most other Western countries, your use of those terms doesn't really make sense.
Do you live in some non-free society where you aren't allowed to quit a job and find another more suitable to your liking? Maybe you live somewhere where you aren't allowed to start your own business and take part in deciding your own compensation? I'd guess North Korea, but your English is extremely good and I didn't think they were allowed to access the Internet.
Do you resent companies that expect overtime from employees as sort of a shared sacrifice on the hopeful way to something like an IPO or buyout where everyone gets a reward for that sacrifice?
If I have a choice to work at company A where I can put in minimal hours and company B where the company expects me to put in "unpaid" overtime. Do you view company B as not deserving to exist?
Do you not support my desire to work in the company and environment that I wish to? Would it be for my own good for company B to be shut down?
Are you under the impression that Google employees haven't been extraordinarily compensated for the hours they've put in? If only everyone who wanted to join the Socialist Party would defenestrate themselves. I commend you for that choice. :P I kid. I kid.