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It's a pretty new thing to have online market places with the kind of scale that exists today while claiming no duty to know about the things being sold. If Walmart or your neighborhood mom and pop tried to sell this everyone would be up in arms so it's weird that some people think it's a good idea to structure society in a way where we strip any responsibility away. On the gun shop we do actually require some duty of care from them. You have to run a background check and I think advertising a gun for the use of committing crimes isn't allowed


I don’t think it’s new at all.

Fb marketplace takes inspiration from Craigslist which takes inspiration from newspaper classified ads.

If you went to a classified ad and bought a toaster or something and it was bunk, would you think about holding the newspaper accountable?


No, but if I bought a toaster from WalMart I would hold WalMart accountable for it. Amazon has given the impression of being like WalMart, while Faceboot has given the impression of being like a classified. In one case I think I'm dealing with WalMart's curated list of products, in the other it is a bunch of sellers.


I think the newspaper would have actually been responsible if you tried to sell something illegal through them, it happened, sure, but still. Regardless Amazon is a lot more than FB marketplace or Craigslist. It provides the kind of polished experience that one couldn't create 20 years ago without investing a lot of money


No, but I would if they sold bathroom cameras.

The issue isn't of quality, it's an issue of legality


Have you seen some of the legit home cameras? They're not hard to hide either (according to YouTube). I looked on Amazon, if it was bought on eBay under a different name nobody would say anything. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CKHVD994/ this one is tiny and doesn't say bathroom or spy.


The issue isn't of potential illegal use, it's an issue of explicit illegal use.

The camera description specifically describes how it can be used for illegal purposes.

There's a huge difference between selling "stump remover" and "spouse poison" even if they're the same chemical.


Semantics. Besides, spying isn't illegal. It could be used for porn.

They get rid of the word spy on the camera, amazon gets a fine and this will now this happen hidden under the surface. It's semantics. What's the real solution to hidden cameras that spy on victims undressing?


> Semantics

Semantics is half of what the legal system is. People spend years in court for what they meant in contract.

> They get rid of the word spy on the camera, amazon gets a fine and this will now this happen hidden under the surface. It's semantics. What's the real solution to hidden cameras that spy on victims undressing?

As I and others keep saying, it's much more than that. The issue wasn't that it said "spy" it's that the camera provides specific descriptions of how to use this camera illegally. I don't understand your need for "the real solution." There is no "real solution" to any human problem. We're never going to prevent this from happening at least once, but we can make iterative changes that make it harder and make it happen less frequently.


If you were making legit, consensual porn, why would you use tiny hideable cameras?


I was thinking of voyeurs. It's the legit side of this. Spying also isn't illegal.




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