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> Over 75% of Germans live in cities

Unrelated to this topic but that explains why Germans are so eager to remove forest in order to build windmills. People in the city obviously don’t notice it anyway.



Give me an example where trees were cut and no new were planted. Coal mines are eating whole forests in North Rhine-Westfalia at this very moment and activists are getting beaten up by cops. Look up Garzweiler and Hambach [1].

You argument is the usual fear-mongering by (often right-wing) conservative politicians, wanting us to keep buying oil and gas from dictatorships. As you can see in France where they routinely have to shut down nuclear power plants to not overheat their adjacent rivers in the summer, nuclear is also no build and forget solution.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine


Planting trees may help with CO2 in like 10 years when they are big enough, but it will never recreate the cultural diversity of a real forest.

Unfortunately Germany has less than 10% true forest left, most ist just foreign trees maximizing for wood revenue. They can’t withstand a storm or a hot summer (really good with the extreme climate events which are coming up).

Any forest is not a forest.


Eifel. Around national park. I see it with my own eyes, I live here.

Regarding Hambacher Forst. Does it not make you wonder why the situation quiet down while the country is going though an energy supply crunch?


Well, unless you have some data about loss of forest for wind turbines, your observations on your surroundings attached to 75% living in the cities is just anecdotal evidence casually presented as a fact. Not helpful in a discussion about a related topic, even less when this is about the 9euro ticket. For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

As for Hambacher Forst, you failed to mention that most issues have been either finalized in courts or were dealt with in protests/politics. I'm not taking sides since this was never a black or white situation, it is always a multi faceted problem. (Empathic example: For the people living in the villages that were destroyed, the loss of their homeland is for most of us simply unimaginable. Then again for some time, germany needed the energy from these deposits under the villages.)


I see three points in your post:

1. You want to tell something 'unrelated to this topic'. That's a bad idea because it clutters our discussions. I assume you have some inner pressure and strong emotions about the windmill topic and want to release it.

2. You're picking on city people. They don't notice the decrease of forests because they don't see it when they look out of the window?

3. You are telling us that the decline of the forests in Germany are caused by… windmills? Really? That's so wrong that I don't know where to start to explain.

I don't know where the hatred against windmills or against 'city people' comes from. But its origin is certainly not windmills.

We need the windmills to fight the decline of the forests, you know. And to fight mass extinction. We need the windmills to avert the demise of many species. Including our own.


1. Yes, I know the rules here.

2. Yes.

3. No, I‘m saying that forest is being removed for windmills. You are assuming that I‘m having some dumb argument. This is what I see where I live. Windmills in a national park with more trees removed for service roads. But please, continue educating.


Prove it. Please, educate us all with facts about putting windmills and cutting trees in a national park.


I have never heard of or seen a forest being removed for windmills. Seems to be one of these pseudo-environmentalist arguments against wind power.




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