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Through my work, I have access to Placer.ai, which allows me to track foot traffic to any retail location or chain via visitors' cellphone GPS. Here's AMC's nationwide foot traffic from January 2017 through July 4, 2021.

https://i.imgur.com/s3H7EYj.png



Looks kinda similar to the google search trends https://imgur.com/a/bbTjUkf


Yep. That's because people use Google to get directions to the nearest theater.


Good validation that Google Trends gets the quick and dirty job done for some queries for free.


I would think most people know where their local theater is. It's probably people searching to see what is playing and times.


Wow, this is virtually identical. If I were paying for placer I'd stop after seeing that you can get effectively the same data for free, assuming you just need the trend.


Yes, because after considering a datapoint of n=1, it's reasonable to extrapolate that the footfall of any arbitrary location correlates to the Google Trend graph of the locations's search terms /s


Movie industry is largely driven by massive advertisement campaigns. My guess that all of those spikes before 2020 were driven by massive AAA releases with big of ad budgets. Nothing like that happened during 2020. I think it's too early to ring the funeral bell, let's see a few massive releases first.


If that's true, we might not see it getting back to pre-covid levels for another year or so if it's going to happen. I think most the stuff we've seen over 2020 and now are things that were already in the pipeline or delayed. The lack of new projects during 2020 and early 2021 will likely affect the industry until mid to late 2022 at least, from what I've read that seems accurate.


A lot of those massive releases are Disney though and they seem to be going all in on Disney+. There might be the occasionally cultural moments that generate new box office records, but I’d expect say the average box office return of the top 20 for the year to be in decline.


I took the liberty of overlaying the stock price over the foot traffic :)

https://imgur.com/a/jTkXhtx


Of course it looks strange -- the stock price reflects a short squeeze on naked shorts, not value or growth.


> short squeeze on naked shorts

Trading is getting really graphic these days


Those terms are decades old.

"short squeeze" (1960s or earlier): https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=short+squeeze&...

"naked shorts" (1970s): https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=naked+shorts&y...


I thought the short squeeze was in jan/feb, what’s that late spring jump?


> https://imgur.com/a/jTkXhtx

The thesis that appears to be correct with AMC and GME is that the shorts never really covered, they simply kicked the can through some creative vehicles.


How do we know that? Is it possible that substantially all the active funds with a thesis on AMC/GME got out, so now the price is driven by retail meme buyers who have no price target?


Honestly, I feel that we're way past the point of productively engaging with the wallstreetbets crowd, the "Naked short squeeze" eternal narative is about as substantial as the people claiming Trump will be inaugurated again later this year. There's no evidence threshold that can be met - on an infinite timeline, the fact that these hedge funds haven't lost money is just more evidence of dirty tricks rather than the most likely scenario - they dumped the stock long ago, and either have a strategy to get back in or have a strategy to avoid being burned again.


Honestly, no one is asking you. They've done the DD. They like the stock. They're going to hold.

I see a lot of people kicking and screaming. I have no stake in this but I'm enjoying it all the same.


20% of the AMC float is short, and could cover in less than 2 days. 25% of the GME float is sold short, but it would take a bit longer for shorts to cover, looks like 5-7 days based on avg 10d volume.

The thesis you posted is Wrong.


Wait, how does Placer.ai work? Like you need to have some sort of AMC app?


Placer is able to track cell phones that have an app installed that uses their SDK. They currently have their SDK in over 500 mobile apps. The data is anonymized, but it would probably shock people how much information I can get from this system. I just pick a location and I can see how many people walked into that location over any time span in the past 4 years, where they live, how much money they make, where else they like to shop, etc. I work in commercial real estate, BTW. We use this software to analyze retail properties.


Is there a list somewhere of apps that use placer so that I can delete those apps off my phone forever?


There was a flagged submission about a year ago about them

https://qht.co/item?id=22704138

I’ll go on a limb and say that apps don’t even have to integrate Placer’s sdk directly. If an app uses any monetization/tracking/ad tracking system, that tracking vendor may collect the geo data and then re-sell it to Placer (i.e. talk to Placer via a server to server API to let them know about the end user)


How much geo data can they obtain if my location is disabled for almost all of my apps?


1) A device's location can be guessed with your IP address at the very least.

2) Wifi networks.

On iOS, I'm almost sure that apps cannot access the list of wifi networks that the device sees. As you may know, the list of wifi access point MAC addresses can be used to triangulate a device's geolocation (there was a related case with Google Streets View cars gobbling up that info[0])

On Android, wifi network MAC addresses may be available to apps? Is there a special permission that apps need from the user?

[0] https://www.wired.com/2012/05/google-wifi-fcc-investigation/


Android requires location services enabled to do ambient WiFi scans: https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/connectivity/wifi...

However, I believe connected WiFi information can be obtained on Android without location services enabled.

On iOS, I believe an app needs special permission even to fetch connected WiFi, and I believe you are correct that there is no way to access ambient WiFi scans.


> However, I believe connected WiFi information can be obtained on Android without location services enabled.

Correct, you need the "Access network state" permission (renamed to a more sensible "View network connections" in more recent versions of Android).

However, to my knowledge neither the play store or Android system warn/ask you about this permission so to avoid it you have to explicitly check every app you install.


I believe the function is "Wi-Fi scanning" in the networking settings tab on Android 11.


Super interesting, thanks!


Placer is one of many, many platforms that do this. Assume any app that requests location permissions is selling your data. Hopefully anonymized.


A few months ago I chose a random set of iOS apps to decompile and view their included libraries. Its amazing how much tracking is going on. One interesting that I recall was a Bluetooth library in a convenience store app. Seems like they had Bluetooth beacons around there store and it would use the phone to track you as you walked through the store.


I recall the CVS app requesting Bluetooth permissions when I installed it. I can imagine them implementing something like this, but couldn't they just passively listen for Bluetooth beacons from people's phones using the devices in the store, without needing the app to be installed on a customers phone?

I suppose I'm not familiar enough with Bluetooth - I figured phones with Bluetooth enabled are constantly sending out some kind of "hello" beacon.


The beacons in the store are pretty dumb, so they can be cheap (on the order of a few dollars each) and plentiful, moving the real logic of tracking to the app.

You're correct in that it could be reversed and the BLE radios in the store could track the phones instead, but then they'd need far more intelligence and network connectivity, which would make them more expensive and in turn they'd be fewer of them deployed.

Source: spent the last few years writing code for wireless devices, including BLE beacons.


Doesn't Walmart do this?


If you're on iOS, leave location services to "while using app" to prevent this. I take the extra step of turning background services off.


This is also Foursquare’s business.

Their opt-out page is interesting: https://foursquare.com/data-requests/

“The California Consumer Privacy Act gives California residents the right to direct businesses from selling their personal information. If you are a California resident, you have this right. If you are not a California resident, we may, at our discretion, grant you this right.

(Emphasis mine)


Wow, this seems like incredibly valuable information for traders and hedge funds. There is a well known retail analyst (Mathew Boss) who famously said they take aerial photos of mall parking lots to estimate traffic and sales. This data is even more granular.


Yeah, commercial Satellite data "intelligence" is a big thing. (This is clearly the "civilian" version of what has been going on in the military world for a very long time)

I wanted to send this example as it's exactly what you're talking about -- monitoring of retail locations (as a data service):

https://learn.rsmetrics.com/trafficsignals/retail/monitoring...

... but I found this from the same company which is crazier:

https://learn.rsmetrics.com/cedm/boeing-tracker

"RS Metrics Boeing Tracker is a custom event driven monitoring product which focuses on the activity and production at Boeing factory sites. Insights generated from Boeing Tracker help investors and PMs' to optimize their investment strategies."

Among other things, they're counting cars at the Boeing Employee Parking Lot:

https://learn.rsmetrics.com/hubfs/BA_2_Boeing%20Renton%20Fac...

Yeah, ok. Wow.


As I understand it, this is also how proxy services that offer "mobile IPs" with millions available function as well. Kinda makes me pine for the good old days where they just annoyed the crap out of me with ads.


My cellphone doesn't leave my home. Makes location tracking much harder.


Also beats the point of having a cell phone.


Isn't the point to play games and being able to login to most sites these days?

It also gives you backup internet..


Not really, not for me and many others anyway. I would just get an LTE modem for backup internet, my PC is better at everything else. I'm not sure about which sites you're talking about, but you can also do 2FA without a phone.


There are a ton of big companies and even governments that only do SMS 2FA. The US social security website is one of them.


To clarify, I wasn't talking about them tracking you, I was talking about the SDKs used proxying connections unbeknownst to you using your mobile (or wifi?) data, which the SDK provider sells as a business.


I'll bite. Where I live and where I shop, I can understand. But how does my cell phone know how much money I make?


It's crazy how much just having your location tracked 24/7 shows about you. It can give a pretty good idea of if you're in a relationship and sexually active (where you spend your nights and when/how often), if your parents are dead and if you're married or divorced (where you go for holidays and when you stop going there), what your life expectancy is (your zip code), if you have children (when and how often you visit schools, day care centers and play grounds/chucky cheese), what you do for a living (harder now that more folks work from home), how healthy you are (time spent at doctors/hospitals/fast food restaurants/gyms), etc.

Tracking one person's location history is invasive enough, but if they're also tracking the people around you it gets a whole lot easier. Phones spend time talking to and tracking other phones around them (even when those devices are offline or have location services disabled) along with being tracked by Bluetooth beacons and collecting info about nearby wifi connections.


It might correlate it with other vendors and signals (e.g., your trail of visited web sites, completed purchases, etc.) and also deduce it by monitoring your geo position to find where your “home” is (wherever you spend most nights / wherever you use your apps late or early in the day) and then use zip code area demographics to get the average income for that area.

Oh… and, credit card companies selling data (to these same data aggregators) on their members’ buying habits and most probably demographics as well (age, income, etc.)


There are other companies that keep track of that (experian, trans union, quick books, etc) that get this from everything from your employer's bookkeeping software to your credit applications. And they sell your data. So if they know where you live and an app knows where you live ...


They can tell by where you shop and where you live.


I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.


Well one of the first things we do on Mars will be to deploy a GPS constellation so our robots are able to locate themselves.


Appreciate the response, super interesting! What do you mean how much they make? Like how much the retail makes or how much the people visiting makes?


Totally OT, but have you tried pathr.ai? Curious about both of them, as they seem similar.


For kicks can we see home depot and cabelas? If not no worries.


Sure. Here's Home Depot: https://i.imgur.com/bqoV3LI.png

Here's Cabela's: https://i.imgur.com/SLsba42.png

BTW, I should note that this is showing weekly visits (and the same is true for the AMC chart). Again, this is Jan 2017 through July 4, 2021.


Clearly, people do renovations in the spring and their Christmas shopping at Cabela's.


Can you aggregate multiple locations? I am interested in Apple stores.


You can buy this data on a per-store basis on a per-month basis from SafeGraph. It'll cost you $40 for YTD data, and it should include information about time of day and nonsense like that if you're curious.

Try something like https://shop.safegraph.com/?brands=SG_BRAND_aa55d5b692887ce4... and choose their Patterns dataset.


Thanks!


Interesting data. What’s holding me back from going to the theater is that my child is not vaccinated (too young), although I suppose the delta variant is also a small concern. I wonder how much difference it will make when the under 12s can get vaccinated. I’d love to go to the theater again if it felt safe for my whole family, but it doesn’t yet.


I was just starting to get a bit comfortable in my county. (Marin County)

I just heard an acquaintance is in the ICU with blood clots in his lungs due to Covid. Young fit guy, but didn't get vaccinated.




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