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> What I always want to avoid is anyone running "create table user ( id int(32) ... )".

Hum... I have never seen a system that could ditch a user table, whatever authn and authz schema it's using. (An independent authn service only makes it more complicated, because you now have redundant user tables.)

But a password column can be avoided.



Fair point, as most systems need to refer to users for internal relations, though with a fully outsourced solution you can get by referencing the external user ids.

As you suggest, I should have mentioned the big things to avoid are password hash and salt columns.


So storing password hashes is better done in a file than in a database?


It's better done by some code that you (or anybody not focused on authn) didn't hack-up on half a day.

Knowing that the hashes are not stored on the database that most of your external interfaces access can bring a lot of tranquility, but you'll get some PII there anyway, so I'm not sure that tranquility is warranted.




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