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I don't think that's the point of the service.

It's:

A) A way of getting people over that "How much for an official replacement cart‽" hump, which often causes them to buy 'fake' ahem carts, or a new printer

B) A way of getting people who "don't think they need a printer" to get a printer knowing what their costs will actually be up front.



> causes them to buy 'fake' ahem carts

A system that addresses one point is still capable of addressing a second - extracting a maximum 'value' from their customers.

> get a printer knowing what their costs will actually be up front

I'm sorry, but a company that changes the price of the contract is the complete - ideologically and practically - opposite of "knowing [your] costs up front".


From HP's point of view of not given them a penny for maybe 20 years - and now I'm paying them $2 a month. They can knock off the cost of making and sending me a new cart - but they're ahead from this. A transaction has occurred due to this innovation and both sides are 'happy'. Innovation/Capitalism - should be catnip to this audience.

I agree that I can't predict the costs exactly - but ballpark is good enough. Like cutting the cord. You don't know how your cable price might change, Netflix prices might increase, your provider might shift cost to your broadband to compensate - but for now it works out and presuming nothing major changes, you'll be fine with incremental stuff and maybe make another bold decision in a few years.


> Innovation/Capitalism - should be catnip to this audience.

Not when it's at the cost of a customer's rights. Between abusing the DMCA to restrict what ink cartridges can be used and actively changing a "free" ink program after advertising that it's for the lifetime of the printer.

There's absolutely nothing we should be praising HP for here.


‽, What is this monstrosity‽


It's an interrobang[0].

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang


I don't why you're being downvoted.

Programming ligatures are one thing. Your IDE manages them silently and transparently. They are client-side tech, not part of the actual data exchange. Teammates who find that they hurt code readability, rather than help it, are free to not use them in their own IDE.

But going out of one's way with escape codes or whatever, to insert a poorly-legible replacement for "?!", is simply awful.


I don't know why either, I gave him an upvote.

I put it in my post, as I quite like the interrobang and will never pass up the chance to use it.

It's entirely legible, just uncommon - and "?!"?! just seems insert new character that represents gipping.

Is it "?!" or "!?" or "!?!" to indicate outrage, query and analysis, resulting in heightened outrage. Why not just add an f'in emoticon (shaped by you gurning at your iphone) seethes :)


For English, it's always '?!'. The question mark gets priority over all other punctuation but an ellipsis (which is pretty rare).

Other countries and languages (Japanese, in particular) give the exclamation point the priority.

As a side note, I can't recall ever seeing the ligature of ?! before today. It feels like one of those typesetting relics we're better off not using.


The interrobang only dates back to 1962, didn't actually appear in a typeface until 1965, and from what I've been able to find, it didn't start routinely appearing in typefaces as a distinct character until it become part of Unicode. So don't blame old typesetters -- blame the internet. :)

I don't see anything wrong with the interrobang, although I don't think I'd go out of my way to use it, simply because it calls rather undue attention to itself. I wouldn't say that about most other ligatures, even some relatively uncommon ones; I'm sure that most people read text in set in Chaparral, for instance, without ever noticing that "Th" is a ligature in that typeface, because it looks optically correct in the same way the near-universal "fi" and "fl" ligatures do.

For the record, I can't find any supporting evidence about the ordering of punctuation marks; both "?!" and "!?" are non-standard in formal English, and the advice I've seen online -- and in the Chicago Manual of Style I have on my bookshelf I just checked -- suggest that an "exclamatory question" just uses the exclamation point. It's just that "?!" is more common when it gets used. (A question mark comes after an ellipsis not because of punctuation priority, but simply because the "..." indicates elided words, but doesn't replace the terminating punctuation mark.)


> poorly-legible

That's a matter of font choice, which (for HN, which doesn't go out of its way to stomp on user defaults) is, like the use of programming ligatures you have tried to distinguish on this basis, a client-side user decision.


Some websites use fonts with programming ligatures, so I'm still subjected to them in those code blocks from time to time.

Which characters are acceptable then? Only ASCII?


It's called an interrobang. It's essentially a way to ask a question emphatically.


It’s James Bonds signature data mining technique as punctuation, aka “The Interrobang”



https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=%E2%80%BD

You can type it in X11 (and Wayland too IIUC) with Compose, !, ? (or ?, !).


> No results found for ‽.

Not a glowing example of DDG there.


The Wikipedia article is in the sidebar. Maybe it doesn’t appear on mobile?

You can also search “!s ‽” and get this: https://startpage.com/do/metasearch.pl?query=%E2%80%BD, but then you have to click “More” to see the full first paragraph of the Wikipedia page, and only then will it reveal the link to the full article there. The rest of the page is just clutter to me.




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