> We also know that China is willing and able to lock down whole swathes of the country to prevent viral spread.
They may have boarded up Wuhan, only after dissapearing journalists and citizens showing the severity of it as the CCP lied about its transmission, but the rest of the Mainland were free to rush into Hong Kong despite local opposition and Medical workers warning of spreading the virus. They overwhelmed the medical system and on were recorded on social media platforms sneezing and coughing directly into often touched areas in public spaces.
It is seriously not hyperbole that the CCP should face Crimes Against Humanity for biological warfare.
> It sure sounds like hyperbole. Hong Kong has had a bit over 1100 cases so far, which is frankly trivial.
And that is because of their personal efforts, not the CCP who forcefully kept the borders via Carrie Lam's legislation open against Public outcry.
Hong Kong had already learned the lesson from SARS outbreak, and understood what they needed to do to lessen the contagion and they quarantined and limited human contact--they even stopped protesting despite it being in full swing in late November to early December.
There medical system was still overwhelmed and PPE was scarce while they were still treating mainlanders who came in droves and continued to abuse the system and foment violence amongst Hong Kong citizens. Many mainlanders were supposed to quarantine but violated the 2 week mandatory period and were out in public and going into restaurants with their armbands indicating they were supposed not leave their home/hotel. If I had the time I'd go look for the videos and pictures, but I'm sure you'd try to rationalize that away some how, too.
You can look at the numbers and try to draw erroneous conclusions, but that doesn't tell the entire story; you know what does? The CCP violently enforcing the Security Law Bill, beating and killing protestors that have eventually led to Hong Kong citizens now having to flee to Taiwan and the UK now.
No, I agree that there is horrible oppression in Hong Kong. It is terrible, and China should be punished for that warcrime. I disagree about the biological warcrimes bit. I think China did enough to try and halt the spread, even if they did it only out of self-interest.
Thanks for a detailed and careful response, lack of agreement doesn't mean we can't build bridges of understanding :)
> lack of agreement doesn't mean we can't build bridges of understanding :)
Granted, but as a fellow biologist myself (Cellular, Molecular by schooling but excelled in Mircobiology) you have to see forcing a separate country, that you've had violent conflict with since 2014, to keep its borders open while virulent vectors are coming in and overwhelming a population's medical system [1] as well as Society for what it is: Biological Warfare. All while withholding critical information of its severity, and then using the WHO as a mouthpiece to spread propaganda and mislead the Global Community about what is occurring all while suppressing your own citizen's and physician's who do not fall in line with that narrative and continued to post the horrible medical conditions, arrests, and deaths happening in real time in Wuhan on social media.
Then, quite likely because of their State sanctioned conditioning, are let loose on the street breaking quarantine requirements in Hong Kong and are then caught on camera purposelessly coughing and sneezing into elevators, stairways, railways etc... all of which are used by the public in daily Life in what seems like a way to propagate the the virus into other hosts in Hong Kong. What other motive would there be to do so?
Hong Kong being, as I mentioned before, victims of politically influenced and targeted violence by the CCP over the violation of the Sino-British Joint pact agreement that stipulated HK's 2 systems, 1 country conditions must be honored in order for China to be given Hong Kong.
How is this not biological warfare in your view? Moreover, the fact that you really think that China did anything to 'halt the spread' shows just how quickly even trained biologists are to buy into this false narrative. Its simply not true and shows how effective the CCP's propaganda is and for anyone involved with the HK protests its very clear how overtly they tried to spread the disease.
They may have boarded up Wuhan, only after dissapearing journalists and citizens showing the severity of it as the CCP lied about its transmission, but the rest of the Mainland were free to rush into Hong Kong despite local opposition and Medical workers warning of spreading the virus. They overwhelmed the medical system and on were recorded on social media platforms sneezing and coughing directly into often touched areas in public spaces.
It is seriously not hyperbole that the CCP should face Crimes Against Humanity for biological warfare.