Have you ever worked in a government secure environment? Regardless of the politics, if anyone else other than her had done this they would have been fired on the spot, and had possible charges brought depending on the outcome of the investigation.
Saying it was not considered sensitive at the time is exactly why the government defaults to sensitive and will change it later. Additionally, managing your own server off to the side when you are a high ranking government official just looks suspicious.
> Have you ever worked in a government secure environment? Regardless of the politics, if anyone else other than her had done this they would have been fired on the spot, and had possible charges brought depending on the outcome of the investigation.
Can you be specific with what this means? I hear this comparison all the time yet it never seems to be articulated.
What did she do that would lead her to have been fired "on the spot"?
My understanding is that neither state.gov nor "Hillary email server" are "secure" for classified information. And it seems like over the course of investigating "Hillary email server" ~20 emails have been identified as containing information that should have been considered "Top Secret".
But that poses the question - why was that information being emailed around at all? Who sent it? Who is liable? How did it get on email systems connected to the open web?
Or is there just a certain level of classified information that is expected to be mishandled over the course of time?
And is this like information that is being directly copied from clearly classified reports? Or is this accidental references to topics that should not be discussed in email messages sent over the open web?
I imagine these are all questions are being confronted by the FBI. But it seems pretty common to encounter comments along the lines of yours: Hillary is definitely in the wrong and every one knows it. But I do not see that yet.
Part of it is for security and the other part is traceability. You ask a bunch of questions pertaining to traceability that are now hard to answer because she was conducting business over a personal email server. Most private companies also forbid this for legal reasons.
The problem with classified or even just sensitive information is that it is hard to know what is what. For example a list of naval ship names is likely not sensitive information. That same list with some grouping may suddenly be sensitive. For this reason, it is good to assume all government communications someone at that level is having are at a minimum sensitive and should always be on government property.
Is this the best defense available? Republicans do it too so let's just look the other way.
I understand somebody being paid by the Democratic party or one of Hillary's SuperPACs to try to push this argument, but for a regular citizen to attempt it shows just how successful the suggested partisanship of the US political system is in dividing regular citizens to act against their own best interests.
If somebody says "it is obvious that this is illegal and the person should be in jail," and then somebody else says "well all these other people did it and they we're scrutinized for it but didn't go to jail," then perhaps the reasonable thing to conclude is that it is not an act that somebody should go to jail for.
I mean, that's the only thing I can conclude. If you're assuming a priori that there's a crime, then you're putting the cart before the horse.
When you're assuming that counter points can only come from some sort of paid posters, you're being disrepectful.
This is why political topics are bad in HN. There's no news for nerds in here, just lots of people playing fast and loose with the facts to score political points.
then perhaps the reasonable thing to conclude is that it is not an act that somebody should go to jail for. I mean, that's the only thing I can conclude.
If that's the only thing you can conclude than you're choosing to ignore circumstances and the complexity of real life situations. I am arguing that both Bush/Powell and Clinton's misuse of personal email servers should be investigated to the fullest extent and prosecuted without considerations for protection of reputations of those individuals. Any ordinary citizen trying to wiggle credible-sounding arguments for the other side is working against their own interest (unless they are being paid - which I am not accusing anyone of).
It's not a defense, it's a counter to the idea that "if anyone else did this, they'd be fired and charged". Obviously that's not true, because (as noted in the comment to which you replied) others did it and no one was fired or went to jail.
If the OP meant that Hillary being a democrat is somehow uniquely protected from any prosecution then I agree that it is the other side of the coin of polarization of political opinion that divides the ordinary citizens and makes them weaker.
But Powell and Rice, occupying the same level of power as Clinton during her term, I understood it as a condemnation of the privileges of political power in general and not a privilege of a particular political party.
It does seem like it might be worse that they would use their private address even when they had a .gov, because it's more clearly a distinction. But in the end the effect is the same, if it were additional malfeasance than there would be some evidence of selection of particular topics to go off the .gov address.
Not really sure what the huge difference is in this case.
Very huge, that means unlike the others she had NO WAY to access the .gov through an official account unlike Powell etc, And private emails by law must have been kept at the time of her tenure.
"Mrs. Clinton is not the first government official — or first secretary of state — to use a personal email account on which to conduct official business. But her exclusive use of her private email, for all of her work, appears unusual, Mr. Baron said. The use of private email accounts is supposed to be limited to emergencies, experts said, such as when an agency’s computer server is not working.
“I can recall no instance in my time at the National Archives when a high-ranking official at an executive branch agency solely used a personal email account for the transaction of government business,” said Mr. Baron, who worked at the agency from 2000 to 2013.
Regulations from the National Archives and Records Administration at the time required that any emails sent or received from personal accounts be preserved as part of the agency’s records.
Saying it was not considered sensitive at the time is exactly why the government defaults to sensitive and will change it later. Additionally, managing your own server off to the side when you are a high ranking government official just looks suspicious.