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Shameless plug, we have the infra for exactly that use-case. Reach out if you're interested. Email in profile.

"Fun" times for services selling micro-VMs running on top of Hetzner bare metal machines for a small margin. 3x increase in input pricing with essentially no notice (there was a 2 weeks notice of "we will change pricing" but no details. People assumed a max of 50% increase, I guess, not 3x)

Don't forget these price increases are only for new purchases. Old rentals keep their price.

You knew when they didn't include actual details at the time that something huge was coming

Well crap, I was planning on doing this.

Although I did plan for OVH-level dedicated server prices, so as long as they don't jack up prices too I'll be fine...


I'll add a concrete example from a not-too-cheap-anymore EU country: Estonia.

* Average software dev salary in Q12026: 4945€ / month [1]

* Total cost for the employer: 6616.41€ [2]

For $20k/month, you'd get 2 x full time mid-level developers + 1x junior dev or QA.

So the calculation becomes: which option can produce better results for your specific use-case, "you + Fable" or "you + 2x mid-level developers + 1x QA". (and from personal experience, mid-level in Estonia = senior dev in the US, in terms of skillset and experience.. but YMMV)

(Of course that's simplified. Your full time devs need _some_ level of AI subscription as well + hardware so add a couple of hundred to their salary per month etc so you might only be able to afford 2x mid level devs, instead of 2.5)

[1]: https://palgad.stat.ee/en

[2]: https://www.palgakalkulaator.ee/en


I'm currently working for an Estonian startup and we pay quite a bit more than that. We hire remote (primarily across Europe) and our biggest issue is finding the right people. You need to consider AI can be "hired" or "fired" instantly too, so it's better to compare it to contractor rates, which start at around €350/day or €7000/mo (20 working days) in Europe.

(Our team spend on AI devtools comes out to around $1500/person/mo)


Sure, we pay above market rate as well :) Doesn't change the fact that the average across Estonia is as stated :)


- Total cost for the employer: 6616.41€ [2]

This is a good start, but the calculation doesn't include office space and overhead (for every 100 developers there is maybe 5-10 support staff to cover the additional legal / administrative, and don't forget the extra cost in supervisor time to manage them)


Exactly, that's why I wrote that it's simplified and the actual full cost to the company depends on your company size and setup (fully remote vs in office, management heavy vs lean-flat etc). One point though, from personal experience, I'm spending an order (or two) of magnitude more time in "managing" an agent than I spend in managing employees - so that part might come out cheaper in the end for having actual employees ;)


Well you can just scale your AI employees up and down as much as you want. Companies already pay a large premium for freelancers just to be able to fire them on a whim, so spending 5-10k a month on something that more than doubles the productivity of a senior developer might be well worth it as you can just adapt spending based on your business needs. If you can deliver a feature that lets you write a 100k invoice with 10-20k of tokens within a month or have a senior dev crunch that out in 6 months instead I think it's clear who wins. It's all about money and the AI companies know that, they have their pricing down exactly to sit in the sweetspot where it hurts just enough that companies can still afford it but not enough that they would look for cheaper alternatives.


I almost got denied boarding for a EU -> US flight ~13 years ago because the TSA agent at the gate noticed my 2011 MBP had 2 screws missing on the bottom panel (I've opened it up a bunch of times and lost some screws in the process). It didn't convince them that I turned it on and logged in etc. They still had doubts because, apparently, missing screws on a macbook was unheard of.. in the end, they held up the plane for ~10 mins due to waiting for a go/no-go decision via phone from some decision maker at the airline (as the final call was apparently theirs to make for some reason). Luckily, they were OK with missing screws and I was let on board.


> When you say Antigravity, you think of a platform

Absolutely not? When you say "Antigravity" then the first thing that comes to mind is "yet another IDE" and I have no desire in switching my IDE.


It's not an IDE, it's a way to run agents. In particular, the Antigravity CLI positioned as Gemini CLI's successor is a shell with superpowers, not something you would use for code development.


You proved the point. Gemini has been marketed better, such that even folks in the know confuse Antigravity (the IDE) with anything else attempting to be pushed.


Antigravity CLI was only announced yesterday, so pretty much no one realizes it's different from Antigravity IDE yet, but I agree with your overall point. This kind of branding is toxic for individual product awareness. I'm not sure what drives the thinking behind it; Microsoft does it too (Copilot, etc.).


Took me this long down the thread to understand it wasn’t an IDE. Terrible marketing and product strat


I don't think so? Gemini CLI (RIP) was more of a direct competitor to Claude Code - a CLI based coding agent. Antigravity was more IDE-like, based around a VS Code fork (so more like Cursor). Antigravity CLI, per the name, seems to be positioning it as a replacement for Gemini CLI, so certainly(?) a Claude Code CLI-based coding agent, but now one with multi-agent support and some sort of server-side harness as well apparently, doing who knows what.

Any CLI-based coding agent can equally well be described as "a shell with superpowers", and people were using Claude Code for non-coding tasks (e.g. sysadmin) before OpenClaw appeared and made that it's main purpose.


"Railway Blocked by Google Cloud"

If you don't happen to know that "Railway" is referring to a company, then you might reasonably read that as "a GCP outage caused issues in the train network somewhere".


As an Estonian, anything below 80°C is considered a "kids sauna". 80°C - 90°C is a cold-but-workable sauna and proper sauna starts from 90+°C. I'd assume it's the same in Finland as we share a lot of the sauna culture.


This would be same in Germany and eastern european countries too. But it really depend on humidity. High humidity saunas don't have to be hot and get tough pretty quicky. 100c dry sauna is lot more manageable than 60c humid sauna (atleast to me).


Indeed, humidity matters a lot. Most our saunas here are löyly (in Finnish) saunas, so you get a rollercoaster of dry - humid - dry cycles. Once you get to 100+c and throw a good amount of water on the stones, it can get quite challenging to endure :)

Everybody has their personal preference of course. For me, the sweet spot seems to be a moderately humid sauna at 93c. At that point, the löyly is not too harsh yet but is still hot enough to make you feel alive :)


I also prefer around 90-100c with swings of humidity. I think it's most exciting exactly because you can make it temporarily more intensive with the "humid wave".

It's the most popular type of sauna - "the sauna" for a reason.


My steam room (at home) at 116F/47C is close to the upper limit of bearable for me. But that's a lot more humidity than even a humid sauna.


90+ sauna sounds painful. Are you actually throwing water? Because even with 80 the steam is pretty hot


Whether sauna is hot or not depends on whether you enjoy the cold water plunge afterwards :)

The typical preset on dry saunas in Bay Area is ~165 F (73 C). Which is cold. Waste of time and money :). Usually, by closing or pouring cold water on sensor, one can make it to 180-190 F (82-87 C) - this is where you start to feel like you are in sauna, though it takes prolong time to heat you up enough to enjoy the cold plunge. If you're lucky enough, you can get to 200, 210, 220 F (104 C) - this is where you start to feel relaxed like as if the heat is working inside you.

>Are you actually throwing water? Because even with 80 the steam is pretty hot

Of course those numbers would be impossible to enjoy in steam sauna. The only steam sauna that had a wall thermometer that i've visited in recent years was showing 55 C when it already felt pretty well and hot.

Note - steam sauna and "throwing water" are 2 different things. The steam sauna is a machine generating a lot of steam, so the room is close to 100% humidity.

The "throwing water" is like Russian "banya" - it is in-between of dry and steam, though frequently is more close to dry Finnish sauna - wooden walls, stove, etc. where in addition to the heated air, you'd throw a water on the heater/stones thus adding a hit of hot steam to that air (in some "banya" configurations if you happen to be close to and in the immediate path of that steam you can sometimes get light burns).


Just a clarification as it may not be clear from your message. A Finnish ("dry") sauna always includes throwing water on the stove, which is called "löyly".

People have different preferences for the warmth of the sauna -- as low as 65°C for some elderly folks, all the way up to 120°C for more hardcore people -- but water is always thrown on the stove. You won't get burns, but it can have a real sting. It's enjoyable, but may feel uncomfortable as a new experience.


When a swimhall has two saunas, a "hot" and a "hotter", I'd guess they are at about 70°C and 90°C.


70-90 seems reasonable, 90 is already over my comfort which is around 80, but the post talked about >90 degrees which just seems stupidly hot


I don't know anyone who wants sauna that hot - steam is involved. Numbers over 90 sound like dry heat only. My 0,02€.


Since when has Finnish sauna been dry? As a Finn I have never been in a dry sauna. We always throw water on the stones.


You don't need a service provider other than a "contact person".

The actual minimal cost of getting e-residency is a one time €150 state fee (I guess you have to renew the physical card every 5 years, which is €150 again?). If you also want to incorporate an Estonian company (which you probably do in this context here), then the registration for this is a €265 one time state fee.

There are no other mandatory fees, except you have to find a "contact person" who's responsible for receiving official government communication on behalf of your company (don't worry, I have never gotten any physical communication from any gov agencies during my 10 years of having a company here so this "contact person" won't actually be doing anything and is just a formality). After a 3 minute google search, this service can be had for €7 / month.

If you don't want to file taxes yourself then you'd also need to hire a local accounting firm. That'll start from somewhere around €50/month for a micro-SaaS. If you really want to, you can file taxes yourself for free but.. your call if your time spent learning the Estonian tax code is worth the saved money..


Sure, but wouldn't 35 hours do the same trick? Or 5 hours? Or 10 hours and 28 minutes? :)

The question is, why exactly 24 hours? The argument is that the time limit is set to protect the users and sacrifice usability to do so. So it would be prudent to set the time limit to the shortest amount that will protect the user -> and that shortest amount is apparently 24 hours, which is rather.. suspiciously long and round :)


You've got to pick some time value (if you choose this route at all), and if the goal is to prevent urgency-coercion it needs to be at least multiple hours. An extremely-common-for-humans one seems rather obvious compared to, like, 18.2 hours (65,536 seconds).

Unless you want to pick 1 week. But that's a lot more annoying.


Well, I guess 24 hours gives a good change to include at least one window where a vulnerable person might be able to speak with a trusted contact.

Someone who lives in another timezone or works weird hours etc. Our routines generally repeat on 24hour schedules, so likely to be one point of overlap.


I've only run into the codex $20 limit once with my hobby project. With my Claude ~$20 plan, I hit limits after about 3(!) rather trivial prompts to Opus :/


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