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Sam Altman is a special kind of person; not many could pull off the schemes he does.

I doubt it was him who architected it. A team of lawful evil lawyers more likely

Related: https://qht.co/item?id=47413195

@indutny explains their views in that thread.


Yes. Hollywood is mad, but piracy sites are still up and unblocked. Book publishers are mad, but Anna's Archive persists on CCTLDs.

The US by and large doesn't censor websites even if the content is illegal in the US. They'll get a warrant and seize servers or domains if it's in the country, or maybe poke international law enforcement for cooperation, but it doesn't really extend beyond that.


> It is further ordered that all ISPs (including without limitation those set forth in Exhibit B hereto) and any other ISPs providing services in the United States shall block access to the Website at any domain address known today (including but not limited to those set forth in Exhibit A hereto) or to be used in the future by the Defendants (“Newly Detected Websites”) by any technological means available on the ISPs’ systems. The domain addresses and any Newly Detected Websites shall be channeled in such a way that users will be unable to connect and/or use the Website, and will be diverted by the ISPs’ DNS servers to a landing page operated and controlled by Plaintiffs (the “Landing Page”).

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/05/judge-rules-ever...


ISPs just ignored that order.

The US would likely not process those extraditions, and it would make trade and international relations worse for no real benefit.

Whereas the US are very happy to demand extradition when the shoe is on the other foot.

Like random tariffs?

Imagine this scenario, a major G7 country declares:

All bytes sent to a computer on their soil count as a transaction on their soil.

And the end client being on a VPN is not a defence UNLESS the website owner attempts to verify the user's identity.

Immediately have to pay local taxes, conform to local laws.

Unless you keep all your assets in the US and never fly abroad, our shady website operator is exposing them self to real risk of being snatched by police somewhere or having their assets seized.

The only thing stopping that from happening is the trade agreements the Americans have put in place, the very trade agreements everyone's now looking at and thinking 'what are these really worth?'.

Yeah, it's fantasy and it won't happend but it could.

The internet is not free, it runs on sufferance of a bunch of governments and some, like China, already lock it down.

The more America, who probably gains the most from it right now, plays with fire, the more risk something like this crazy scenario happens.

Another more plausible scenario is countries simply start repealing safe harbor laws. End of YouTube/Facebook/Twitter/etc. in those countries overnight.


This is basically a mutually assured destruction scenario.

The US is not going to let all US companies get fined out of retaliation, so there would be more retaliation from the US against the EU, and everyone else. In the end everyone loses, except for China, which as you mentioned is not stupid enough to play these games and decided to simply pick a lane.

China locks down the Internet and blocks foreign players (to varying levels of success). They don't reach overseas to prosecute foreign executives or fine Meta for not removing Party-critical content from Facebook. Of all the parties that could be involved in this censorship drama, China is somehow the most honest.


Like tariffs?

The US are already playing this game. Can you not see that?


You realize that the EU has had tariffs on US goods for a very long time right? I'm not saying tariffs are good, but its hypocritical to protest against behavior in which you are currently engaging.

I know the tariffs are the bad thing of the moment (and they certainly are capricious), but I don't think you understand how much worse things can get.

> Another more plausible scenario is countries simply start repealing safe harbor laws.

It already happened via GDPR to some degree. CJEU ruled in December that platforms can qualify as controllers for personal data published in user-generated advertisement. The given reasoning was basically that the platform determined the means and the purposes of the processing.

Due to that they can be liable for article 82 damages.


Scammers will gladly wait on hold for 10 hours a day, for a week, if they think they'll get their Bitcoin.

They have infinite time and patience.


It sounds like the 24 hour advanced flow should be completely removed then to protect these people. Right? It can't be perfect so to follow you, it should not exist.

It is relevant. There's a material difference between shipping material overseas and shipping it (and handling it) within the destination country.

If someone mails $ProhibitedItem at a USPS to the UK, then it's the job of local UK police and/or customs to reject the parcel if it is prohibited. It's the UK's problem, de facto if not de jure, because the sender is out of reach.

If someone with a UK subsidiary and local processing center mails $ProhibitedItem to their center and delivers it to someone in the UK, then that's more than the UK's problem.


And on an electronic delivery, is a great firewall the equivalent of customs? And therfore the only way to enforce sovereignty?

Absolutely yes. If a government thinks there is stuff for sale its citizens should not be allowed to buy, they don’t stop county x making it or selling it. They block the thing from entering their country.

If the government thinks there are ones and zeros on the internet it’s citizens should not be allowed to see, they should block them from entering the country.


Practically, yes.

If that were true why is everyone so irritated by this? Just ignore it in that case. But for those people that may want to become subject to British jurisdiction in future or do other business there in future, they will take requests from Ofcom seriously.

It's just the current moral panic. The views aren't even relevant; LLMs will either stick around because they're useful or the industry will collapse if they're not.

And even if people still don't like them, they'll eventually stop caring about hating them.


Well, we've proven the 27 smaller, competing bureaucracies are creating plenty of their own issues. It's not like the US where 50 states (and yet more territories) actually compete on simplifying corporate law and offering strategic advantages.

Corporate law is inherently somewhat bureaucratic; better simplify it and unify it if proven necessary.


Why aren’t European countries competing on better corporate law?

To some degree they are.

Before Brexit there was the 1£ Ltd. as a famous contender, which got quite attraction and lead to creation of German UG. Nowadays Estonia is advertising their quick digital registration process.

The problem is that you are still bound to the individual countries legal system and many things there aren't unified. Having to appear at an Estonian court as your books don't comply with Estonian regulation (while at the same time for tax purpose your bookkeeping have to comply to your local legislation) isn't fun.

Also people don't know those names. What is a GmbH, an A.S., an OÜ? Is that a serious business or some shady shell company far off?


In America everything is a shady shell company so it doesn’t matter ;P

Well, it's all Delaware corporation ...

They're saying we should remove the features in general because they're anti-features harmful to everyone, and focusing on children distracts from that fact.

This conclusion is up for debate, but that's what they mean.


We should ban oil, drive EVs, everyone write Rust only, and invest in index funds. We should, but it's not going to happen.

Now we'll have to encrypt the files to prevent the performance hit of antivirus peeking inside.

Oh, wait...


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