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Children do not want child locked devices and they will find alternatives

The issue is not just age verification but also device pinning.

I think the framework here is to have community driven age verifiers( i recall there is an EU effort for digital wallets which besides it's bad parts has some of these good parts) which can verify ages for people and link them to( local biometrically encrypted) devices for pinning. This would be privacy preserving. The only downside is a mandate for all devices have a built-in hardware biometric encryption like a finger/face print so phones can't be just(used) with these apps installed.

The verification part is a job that could be done by all the teachers and coaches and ofc parents. Any one verifying identities would be cryptographically nominated/revoked by a number of more senior members of the community. A prent always get the right to say ok for their kid ofc but so could teachers or legal guardians..

We(legally) need a mandate for smart devices to have local device only biometric verification. The law should be to have these apps follow device app store protocols.


As with smoking, alcohol, sex, drugs etc

Children who are smart enough to get access to a given vice without getting caught are more likely to be mature enough to be able to cope with that vice.


I think we’re going to see how that plays out with gambling.

It seems a bit silly to think security abstinence is the solution.


Sorry what?

Kids with low parental supervision who steal uncle Roy's marlboro are more likely to be able to cope with tobacco addiction?

Do you have any reasons to think this might be the case? Studies, research, a well thought-out article?


To get reliable access you either need to convince an adult to give you access (which is always game over) or you need to engage in some kind of future planning, which is a similar skill set as the one necessary to notice that getting addicted to cancer thing might be a bad idea. Stealing uncle Roy's marlboro doesn't work because uncle Roy is generally then going to notice that they're going missing and either start securing them better or deduce where they're going and visit some punishment on the kid.

I mean what if Roy doesn't care?

We're just optimising for kids with shitty family at this point.


If Roy doesn't care then you have a kid with an adult who gives them access, which is the scenario where none of this is going to work. Even if you required government IDs with hourly retina scans, it doesn't work if Roy is willing to let the kids hold the device up to his face whenever they want.

Sure, I agree.

I only disagree with the just-so notion that kids who have an Uncle Roy are somehow better able to cope with the consequences. Ability to access something is (IMHO) pretty uncorrelated with the ability to cope with the consequences.


The original claim wasn't that the kids with an Uncle Roy would be better able to cope, it's that the kids are who can devise another way to get past even if they didn't. Then the latter kids make up a larger proportion of the ones who can get past because they have two paths to do it instead of one. And the former ones are the ones we can't reach regardless.

Let's look at that original claim -

"As with smoking, alcohol, sex, drugs etc

Children who are smart enough to get access to a given vice without getting caught are more likely to be mature enough to be able to cope with that vice."

There are at least two problems here. The one I've focused on first that you seem so keen to dispel, is an assumption that there are smart kids overcoming a challenge. 'Roy' is an extreme, but there is a whole spectrum of low-oversight conditions that are likely to lead to kids getting access to alcohol, tobacco, drugs, having sex etc, which are nothing to do with smartness or challenges and are much more to do with shitty parenting and neglect.

Then there's the second problem. Let's focus on tobacco but I believe it's likely to hold for other drugs - even if we allow that children getting access to tobacco are 'smarter' than those who don't figure it out, and are overcoming various obstacles, that doesn't actually imply that they'll be better able to deal with the consequences. Just like how a high IQ doesn't always mean someone is necessarily good at crossing the road safely or tieing their shoelaces.

In fact there's a variety of research about nicotine's effect on developing brains and how the earlier people are exposed the more likely they are to be more addicted for longer. This is the opposite outcome to the original claim, kids who start earlier are in fact demonstrably less likely to be able to 'cope' with the vice.

The whole claim is nonsense.

[0] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3615117/ [1] https://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-6-addiction/6-...

(edit - I'm not making specific claims about cybersecurity or access to tech here, I just think the analogy is pretty seriously wrong in itself)


> The one I've focused on first that you seem so keen to dispel, is an assumption that there are smart kids overcoming a challenge. 'Roy' is an extreme, but there is a whole spectrum of low-oversight conditions that are likely to lead to kids getting access to alcohol, tobacco, drugs, having sex etc, which are nothing to do with smartness or challenges and are much more to do with shitty parenting.

Let's consider the four combinations of the two variables here. You have dumber and smarter kids, and worse and better parents. The kids with the worse parents will have access to the vice regardless of whether they're dumb or smart, but the kids with the better parents will only have access if they're smart enough to figure out how against parents actively trying to prevent it. Therefore the two of the four quadrants with smarter kids can get access but the dumber kids only can when they have worse parents, implying that two thirds of the quadrants with the ability to do it are the smarter kids.

> even if we allow that children getting access to tobacco are 'smarter' than those who don't figure it out, and are overcoming various obstacles, that doesn't actually imply that they'll be better able to deal with the consequences.

That's assuming the way they deal with it better is by trying the drug and then somehow not getting addicted rather than by choosing not to try the drug to begin with even though they could access it if they wanted to, or otherwise making more measured choices if they do decide to try something, like finding a source more likely to be providing the expected amount of the expected substance instead of who knows how much of who knows what. Or just hesitating a while so their first time comes at an older age.


> implying that two thirds of the quadrants with the ability to do it are the smarter kids.

But only one of those involves overcoming anything.

And unless you have information on the relative sizes of those quadrants, it’s meaningless in terms of the overall picture and being able to confidently assert that access to such contraband allows you to draw any inferences about intelligence whatsoever.

And the rest appears to be some serious mental gymnastics to avoid the point, which I don’t believe for a second was meant to encompass “children who are smart enough to get access to do a thing but don’t actually do the thing because they’re so damn smart”. Nor do I believe that 14 year olds who find a willing drug dealer are more likely to take sensible precautions than their peers, having proven their smarts by finding one!

The whole premise is laughable.


Well then don't give them money to do so, its not like phones grow on trees. If you make selling phone/internet device to a minor under certain threshold an illegal act severely punished by law in same way alcohol and cigarettes are, many cases of access are solved. Also, paid internet subscription doesn't grow on the trees even though there are free wifi networks.

All imperfect solutions, but they slice original huge problem into much smaller chunks which are easier to tackle with next approach.


True, it's never going to be 100%, but at least it's a tractable problem for parents. Enough to change what the culture considers "normal," anyway.

Imperfect solutions are still called "solutions".

Everyone knows the real money is in AI generated articles about AI


I am this close to leaving the bloody internet and never coming back


I had my agent do that for me so I can still doom scroll.


"hi AI please give me a article to discuss if anyone is making money off AI"

Extra credit prompt: "please also shill my AI product"


Extra extra credit prompt: please make me an ai generated product to shill in the first place!


Yeah feels very ai to me. Got that chatgpt rhythm


You must have purchased a Mac Mini and were offended by my post.

Anyway, your comment made for a good follow up article: https://x.com/SiliconSnark/status/2029000449483845707?s=20

But seriously, why do people hate on AI writing but LOVE AI coding? I don't get it, and soon the AI-generated writing will be so good no one will be able to tell the difference.


> why do people hate on AI writing but LOVE AI coding?

People don't like AI writing because it reads like something written by corporate drones rather than actual humans.

People love AI coding for a couple of reasons. First, code doesn't read like prose. You don't complain about how code reads. (OK, people do, but the point of code is to execute.)

Second, people love AI coding because it's fast. It gets the code written far faster than a human would write it.

But isn't that true of AI writing as well? It gets the text written far faster than a human would write it.

So my "aha" moment: The people complaining about AI writing are the readers, and the people loving AI coding are the writers. When humans have to read that AI-written code, will they still love it? (Or can AI actually read and revise code well enough that nobody will ever have to get there?)


articles about AI making money, that is.


They should automate reading hacker news comments and generating PRs to address them


Open a PR and suggest this.


You can't just "suggest" something in a PR, you have to provide the change.


Okay, open claude code, tell it to open a PR


Looks like it's GAIA by Marco Cochrane, I remember seeing it out in the desert. It looks like it might not be related to Waymo and just on the adjacent property



Thanks, I was assuming it was the same artist as the one at the Embarcadero, and that seems to be right.


As an old time burner, sometimes this kind of stuff seems like a flex, like 'you had to be there, sorry pleb' from the tech exec class. Anyway I'm glad they have something there than not.


The success of Facebook basically proves that public brand perception does not matter at all


Facebook itself still has a big problem with it's lack of youth audience though. Zuck captured the boomers and older Gen X, which are the biggest demos of living people however.


> Zuck captured the boomers and older Gen X, which are the biggest demos of living people however.

In the developed world. I'm not sure about globally.


Unfortunate that they chose python instead of bash as the wrapper. Bash would have wider interoperability across languages and workflows that don't touch python. It would also expose more performant tools.


If we're posting opinions, I prefer Python. It's at least as capable as Bash at running external ("more performant") tools.


Not unfortunate. They know what people are using and went that route.


Meanwhile, I have "*Never use Python for anything ever*" in my AGENTS.md.


i think you are leaving lots of intelligence on the table by forbidding python to an LLM; trained heavily on python codebases.


I've mostly stopped using Claude because of it, it will still try use Python for the most random tasks. It recently wrote an HTML file with some inline js in it, then started a local python server to open the HTML file, and check the log output.

This is in a node.js project. It is just too obsessed with using Python, and it seems to help it focus and make more sensible choices by removing the option.


Forcing iPad support seems like tying. I wonder if this will finally get Instagram to release an iPad app.



They don't put MacOS on iPad because they want MacOS to slowly die and make App Store the only way to install software. This has nothing to do with cannibalizing Mac.


It is worrying that the machines many of HN rely on are the minority of their revenue so they'd not even flinch financially to mess up that product line. TF for Linux/x86/arm as an alternative ecosystem that is not controlled by one party.


If they did, I would also replace my iPhone, and I'd help family do the same.


It’s astonishing to me that even so many long-term Apple observers don’t see this, even though they are sorta obvious about it. “Now that the hardware is so close, the systems converge, etc., there is really no reason iPad will not eventually run macOS” – No, macOS will continue to be dumbed and locked down (“security!!11”) until the point where the Macs can be safely switched over from the terribly open legacy OS.


You might be right, but if MacOS dies, how will Apple develop for iOS etc?


And app developers too. Maybe sister comment about something cloud. Can fleece devs for more money too, bonus!


probably some subscription cloud environments


They could improve the development environment on iPadOS, or make it possible to develop for iOS on Linux.


Have a iPadOS version of a development environment?

A grown up version of Playground.


probably some sort of "ai" app builder interface. They've always flirted with the layperson programming with their languages like hypertalk. I wouldn't be surprised if they figure out a way to achieve even greater lock-in capture


I have found that using LLMs to generate queries for Overpass (Open street map query language) works really well. Great alternative if you don't care to deal with corporate nonsense.


I've been able to do really cool stuff that I would never have otherwise bothered with by having an LLM generate Overpass queries + walk me through complex setup steps with QGIS.


The flipside is that QGIS and overpass are so complicated that only with LLM assistance they're truly usable.

(Applies more to QGIS than to overpass, though both could stand to improve a lot in terms of usability)


The only thing people really do for extended periods of time in these headsets is play gorilla tag, highly skewed towards young kids.


Exercise works well enough too. If shadow boxing in a stinky gym for 2h is grating to you, doing it in VR will have a better chance of success in the long run.


That or VRChat.


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