The response I get offline is that there's millions of seniors right now that can last a couple decades.

I don’t know about the rest of them, but my rates keep going up. And the more I read takes like this the more I ask for

Buy Now, Pay Later

How much are you willing to pay? Is there any expectation of payoff?

Dude, the time for work is going down drastically, about a third of before. Are you not facing it?

If you're experiencing this you're either a very junior dev or you're not as senior as your title might suggest...

They’re not facing this. They’re just lying.

Dude, no I’m not. The bottle neck was never producing code.

To give you the benefit of doubt - you're not paying attention. The 100$ claude account is profitable inference wise, and performs better than 80% of engineers with upto 5YOE. Architects I speak with want to delegate to this 100$ agent rather than 10000$ engineer.

It is absolutely more cost efficient. Junior engineers are done for.

I have first hand and second hand seen more failure from this line of reasoning _as of today_, in the French/European tech sector, than successes. Not even talking about those executives that expect to use Gen AI to "help" in their process and financial reporting - at least the flag is bright red.

I've also met enough architects (or so called) in consulting, service companies as well as startups, from both a founder and a tech lead point of view, in the past 25 years not to entrust them too much with their hunches, long-term wise.

Especially because, from a sustainability point of view, saying "junior engineers are done for" is like saying "kids are done for": not that wise. Unless what you account/bet for is the drastic reduction/disappearance of humains (and then, a lot starts to make more sense).

Sending you empathy. I think we have to get used to the lower pay expectation. This is the biggest negative, which does not make up for all of the AI's upsides.

I've dropped my pay requirement into the basement. 60-70% pay decrease and it isn't enough. At some point I'm going to wonder if I'm ever going to work again.

It does not exclude. But the expectation of larger money has to go. They're literally competing with 100 dollars a month.

That is more a sign of our messed up society. Yes, techies earn middle class salaries that are hard for everyone else to earn, but the issue was everyone else falling behind, not techies racing ahead (our salaries are extravagant becuase…we can buy a house like our very normal salary parents could).

I agree it definitely distorts the market because what else are kids to do?

Your getting unnecessarily down voted by devs who want to feel morally superior, but don't have any concrete answer to the conundrum you've posed.

It's about money, and the actual solution would be to lower pay at senior level and give it to juniors, with some lock in agreed by the junior in exchange for this grace.

I doubt the vast majority will agree to this.

They're getting downvoted because they are a miserable misanthrope, and it is our responsible as people in a society to punish obviously antisocial behavior.

What happened with Wikipedia? I thought they run a tight optimum ship?

Is there not a higher productivity expectation for you? How are you going to meet those without agents?

I can't say, yet! Hasn't struck. They'd like users, aren't forcing the issue. Very reasonable/measured so far. Should expectations appear [and I were to play along], I maintain they would be sorely disappointed. Simply don't believe we're limited by content generation/consumption.

All beside the point, anyway. I'll worry about meeting agreeable expectations in the next place... where I can renegotiate my side of the terms, too. The work doesn't really call for it, I'm already more productive than my enabled peers. Not pressed, options exist (both internal and external). Competitors more to my liking surely exist. I'm entirely fine failing to meet demands that I don't believe can/should be met. Call me fortunate [and perhaps naive] :)

My 'agents' were called 'pipelines' 20 years ago, they serve us well. The... 'real world' logistics need to be considerably shortened before an agent [or more pipelines] might have any meaningful impact. We have all the code/docs/whatever we might need, and a lot of built-in downtime, so I suspect it's a wash. Moving parts or people to datacenters, for instance.

All that's not to say an LLM can't be useful. They could spare us some shoveling, so to speak. Less work, not necessarily further or faster. Easier. There's not a lot of juice to squeeze and I'm not sure one should be willing [without proper consideration/compensation].

Ive been wondering as well and it seems acceptance is the only way. The evidence keeps piling with every successful larger and larger GitHub project we see

Can you link some of those projects? I'm genuinely curious.

I'm taking the bait whatever. All those projects are just more fucking AI tools. It's all Claude seems to be good for - writing agents, skills, harnesses. Just a big fat ouroboros.

(Going down the /trending page - 13 of the 14 are some flavor of context manager or agent or smth)

Let me know when someone uses Gas Town or openclaw to write something that isn't "the next Gas Town or openclaw" and then we can talk