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It means that the request to the API contains cryptographic proof that is was generated by a legitimate, reviewed app running on a unmodified and non-rooted mobile device controlled by Apple or Google.

fwiw this is a correct definition of Remote Attestation, matching what is mentioned in the github thread, but Client Assertion is something mostly unrelated (an OAuth implementation detail)

No, because both positions boil down to "don't waste my time by refusing to think".

Nobody would be so weird as to put the "four" first when pronouncing "14".

:-)


Four score and seven years ago...

Haha, right!

Then it would fall under "symbolic or ritual use".

Before electric computers, the human mind was a steam engine: https://www.ezrabrand.com/p/releasing-the-pressure-a-dive-in...


a lot of control theory goes into steam train locomotive, you don't say it explicitly but the way people typically make the same reference they evoke the image of a simple steady state steam engine, and insinuate that people compared brains to whatever was the novelty. I don't think that was ever the case, and comparing the brain with the intricate feedback systems, regulators and more general control theory facets of an actual steam train locomotive is a lot more apt than people make it out to be as if people were comparing it to a simple steam engine proper (i.e. not a locomotive).

also if you look at lifeforms with and without brains, and lifeforms that do or don't do locomotion, there is a clear correlation between mammals, birds, reptiles, spiders, insects, ... which have brains and are motile, versus plants, fungi, ... which don't have brains and aren't significantly motile.

the moment you need to move (not just grow in this or that direction) you need a lot of things: muscle control, inverse kinematics, interpretation of the environment, speedy reactions, routing, planning, memory, ...


This is ridiculous. You can't compare legged locomotion with a locomotive on rails and then say that the power source is the brain.


and that is again misreading which facets were being compared


I would argue that both are correct, because as McLuhen pointed out the things we build come to change the way we perceive the world.

"We become what we behold. We shape our tools, and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Father John Culkin on McLuhan

That said, LLM's were modeled on the human brain so the entire idea that we shouldn't compare ourselves to them is daft. They are similar to use because that is exactly what they're designed to be.


Or clockwork.

Regardless of the degree to which the human mind works like an LLM, my reductionist tendency has always imagined that the human mind will be found to be built from simple enough principles (but at scale, of course). In that regard, LLM as model for the human brain (or at least one aspect of it) is attractive to me. I admit it.


Before clockwork, human mind was a city (Plato, Marcus Aurelius, i.a.)


I thought the whole idea behind LLMs is that they exhibit emergent behavior beyond the data they ingest. This makes the reductionist view untenable.


It's interesting that it's easier to construct the argument† that a mind like an LLM would have an easier time capturing mind as steam engine than a mind like a steam engine would have capturing mind as LLM.

†: come up with each token after the other that induces a graspable interpretation of a sequence of tokens representing a potential judgement


There's something really interesting here with Goguen Institutions. Also sometimes an argument just "clicks" into place fully-formed, rather than being generated token-by-token? Is that "knowing like a steam engine?"


Maybe the LLM token stream is just like the curve of the rails coming into view of the steam engine mind.


Chooo chooo!! (Yes!!)


100 years ago, horror stories featured wizard-like scientists using electricity to perform magic. A few decades after that, it was nuclear fission. Then quantum mechanics decades after that.

Magical thinking will always live in the new.


> an opt out that you forgot to click when you signed up with them

This is the textbook legal definition of spam in any sensible jurisdiction, though.


Yes, you are likely confusing Oberon with Pascal. That is the Wirth language people usually have heard about. They may also have heard about Modula 2, but assuming that is stretching it. I was already interested in computers at the time, but I still only remember Oberon as that even bigger failure than Modula.


The only earthquake that happened in the region I am living during my lifetime was caused by a collapsing salt mine, though. (Small magnitude. I only heard about it because I was working at a particle accelerator lab at the time and the machine crew observed some beam instability caused by the ground vibrations, so they talked about it.)


You are arguing against the opposite of what the comment you answered to said.


Am i? "Can you think of any reasons beyond performance?" implies that the comment author thinks performance would be a valid reason.


Quoting my original message:

> And why do we not anymore make use of it, but instead implemented separate JSON loading functionality in JavaScript?

In other words: I'm asking for reasons why was native JSON JavaScript module created, if we already had eval.

> Can you think of any reasons beyond performance?

One of the reasons is that native JSON parser is faster than eval: give some other reason.


Watch the original, there you can select an English simultaneous translation: https://media.ccc.de/v/36c3-10652-bahnmining_-_punktlichkeit...


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