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Macbook Pro rival running ..... Windows?! I'd take a bottom of the line Macbook over anything running 'doze.

Nothing has changed. The "flashy web" of the 2000s was ... Flash. Corporates paid premium rates to Flash Designers who couldn't write a line of HTML.

Oh God I hated that. I'm not entirely sure why I hate it so much more than over-Javascripted sites. It feels even more alien.

Responsive design out of the box? Were you actually there? Back in 2000 you could make a career out of scripting browser polyfills or "DHTML".

Quite. Or differences in the box-model, appending weird symbols to CSS to target specific browsers, adding zoom:1, praying you didn’t have to support IE6….

That doesn't seem relevant to responsive design? HTML and CSS are definitely responsive out of the box, but OTOH I remember how many designers of that era thought responsiveness was a bug and asked devs to add width:920px to body...

CSS, especially the box model, was not consistent across browsers.

True. Does not prevent the design from being responsive. Even with no CSS at all a design is responsive unless you specifically choose to break that

Right but how would you even display a vertical menu back then? `float: left` was rather bad, so you went back to using tables[0]. Good luck making these responsive.

[0]: and to using dozens of images sliced to fit your table cells, for that cool hover effect as well as round corners. :-)


Why would documents have menus? Menus are for applications.

And there was nothing wrong with tables for layout, especially back then when the alternatives were very brittle.


> Why would documents have menus? Menus are for applications.

s/menu/navigation

> And there was nothing wrong with tables for layout, especially back then when the alternatives were very brittle.

I never said there was anything wrong with tables. OP said there was nothing preventing the design from being responsive, to which I responded yes, there was, at least in a lot of cases.

(Responsiveness was also mostly irrelevant back then because smartphones were not a thing yet.)


The idea that 00s websites were responsive is laughable. Websites used to tell you they are designed for resolutions 1024x768 and above, because they hardcoded the size and position and everything and the moment you sizes your browser window down a horizontal scroll bar appears, or worse. Say what you want about modern web practices but responsibility is only getting better, not worse.

Joker, Janet, Glojure and now Let-go. Am I missing something?


There is one being made in C http://mino-lang.org/


jank is another one


Maybe people will finally take Marx seriously.


A lot of people already did. All their children and descendants now are staunch capitalists because they saw first hand the horrors of communism.

I am from India and have friends who are immigrants from Russia, China and Cuba. We don't take lightly to being lectured about communism. We didn't move to the U.S., the bastion of capitalism, because communism had worked well for our grandfathers and parents and continues to do wonders for its society.


>All their children and descendants now are staunch capitalists because they saw first hand the horrors of communism.

As always there is a (post) Soviet joke that covers this:

>Communists lied about communism. Unfortunately they didn't lie about capitalism.


It must be hard to remain sane, let alone happy, after 2 terms of Donald Trump.


I don’t think this discussion is complete without mentioning Trump, if not as an outright cause, at least a symbol and a symptom.

The level of toxicity and cynicism and nihilism that has been brought to the foreground every day is really something to see.


It takes 2 to tango and everyone that takes a "its only the other side doing it", is the problem.


< It all seems totally insane.

This is Microsoft we're talking about, right?


I used TB happily for years on Mac OS but its font rendering on Linux was one of the main reasons I never switched.


Typescript, isolates, Cloudflare dynamic workers, serverless. You've already lost the market WordPress serves.


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