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I was surprised to find out how much hate there is for AI in art.

An artist, Yuumei, is the perfect candidate to use AI– drawing by hand since early 2000s, wrist injury precluding heavy work.

People seem to think art should be done only by humans, that AI steals art, and is bad for the environment.

But she wants to use it to be able to produce the work she wants, including comics with lots of art and such. Given that she's ultimately still responsible for the creative direction and result, this seems like something AI is greatly help for.

Example hate video and comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=495VOuAnCJM


Bringing up Neuralink or medical use of LLMs is not an argument for allowing the theft. Anthropic etc. are free to start a prosthetics company and scrap their regular offerings.

You are then allowed to use AI with a prescription.


This. As an artist I wouldnt have an issue with AI if it wouldnt be just generative generating full, fleshed out pieces. If AI is used allowing actual artists to use a brush or pen again and actually allows them expressing themselves through their own work, it would be great.

People seem to think generating art from stolen pieces by typing 4 sentences in a prompt window is equal to this. It isn't. It is not true expression as it takes humanity out of the piece.


If a human can learn from existing art and information, how is that different from an AI learning on the same? Or replace AI with a new sentient being that is discovered.

What one does with the learning seems to be the issue. If a human exactly reproduced anothers' artwork, that'd be copying.


Yes and actual artists acknowledge copies. Art is a craft and if the copy is well made by actual human skill you can value it. AI artists act like printing out the Mona Lisa is their own art, skill and expression.

This is a thing that exists. There are many tools and workflows that let you sketch out something and then use a model to iterate imagery based on the draft, one small area at a time.

Unfortunately, this is not how most self proclaimed AI artists use it though. They generate slop and cry about not being taken seriously by actual artists.

> I was surprised to find out how much hate there is for AI in art.

I'm surprised you're surprised.

Giant corpos steal work from millions of independent artists and the State ruled that IP laws didn't apply to them, only to us common mortals.


> People seem to think art should be done only by humans, that AI steals art, and is bad for the environment.

Yes, we, humans, generally believe that.


Don't listen to him– he is a cat burglar, and you being deaf at night helps him steal your cats.


> Don't listen to him

That's the idea


Hopefully the ear plugs are good enough to not hear the "badum tiss" too :)

Unless the joke lands on deaf ears

Sounds like it did

You don’t say

:)


Is there such a flourishing black market for subtracted cats that would prompt burglars to steal these pets?


You can't subtract cats, you have to concatenate then truncate.

concatenating cats is useless use of cat, you can just provide more arguments instead

You can create a meme by concatenating cats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longcat

Yeah they just finished their series A funding yesterday. Sorry to hear you missed out


I don't think it will work out. Dwarf fortress got it right. Cats own you, not vice versa.


Which is the infinite money glitch.

You're worth X.

You have 1 cat who owns you, total value X.

Get 10 black market cats for free, now 11 cats own you for a total net worth of 11X.

That's even before considering the compound effect of each cat owning a human worth 11X, which means you can divest from 1 cat for 11X, and still be worth 110*X.

The system basically works like xAI shares. Don't look too close into it.


That's seems like a shady business, I'll have a thousand shares

There you go, here are your 1,000 shares for $0.0001.

Everybody! Pay attention now! Only 22,999,000 share tokens are left, and due to gchamonlive's massive transaction, the liquidity pool is moving fast, and a share/token is now worth $150,000. Don't miss out, act now!


It's alright, I'll just hide my cats along with my kids and wife.

You can tell by the sneakers.

Outright lie clickbait. As he states himself, he's doing the design work by hand, and will likely still use AI to write code.


Let's start by banning words like 'pediatric' instead, which directly reference children and are thus more related to pedophiles. We can just call people 'doctor/dentist for small people'.


For others curious like I was, it seems he hired a cartographer to render essentially a set of huge, nice-looking, custom map images with details like hiking trails that Apple Maps doesn't have.

So unlike Apple Maps, which is dynamically rendered, it basically shows image tiles. It allows for a nicer-looking, more detailed map, but affects things like needing separate downloads for different zoom levels, rotation, updatability.


The use of the cartographer to generate separate designs and the technology used to render/deliver those designs are two entirely separate concerns.

His original map provider offers both vector and raster tile services: https://www.thunderforest.com/maps/outdoors/

A common pattern is to use a vector tile service + style definition directly or to generate raster tiles if those are desired.


Good point, I assumed he was using images because his screenshots show text perfectly following the curves of rivers, which seems hard to do with dynamic rendering.


That’s the point of a vector (not raster) tiles. Wh do you say it is hard to do with dynamic rendering? With Maplibre or any modern map SDK this this is standard…


> With Maplibre or any modern map SDK this this is standard…

In practise, this doesn’t work out as visually pleasing as you’d like; labels repeat, or render partially or not at all, or become interfered with by other labels, or only work well at one given zoom. It’s easy to end up in a visually dissatisfying place that’s taking an unfathomable number of magic rules to get to.

The secret sauce to fixing this is creating separate label layers of perfect point locations or lines for labels to follow in advance. Added bonus is faster render and interaction times due to fewer rules.


I think this may not even be possible because Apple does not give access to the Metal graphics API on Apple Watch to third-party developers.


I'm afraid you're mistaken. He hired a cartographer to iterate over the design, but from the images, he likely used that feedback to create a map style.

For example https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_style

However, you're also kind of correct in that the rendered tiles are typically cached server-side (presumably also for Apple Maps).


Now it'll be, "Author of library with 10K stars on github, front page on HN, #1 ProductHunt"


Same story here (basic was too slow for a phoenix/movable-ship-shooter game).

Do you think you could remember most of Z80 ASM? I looked at some old ASM I wrote long ago, and it's hard to follow the logic of the program, since most lines are messing around with the registers. But basics like 'ld hl,xyz' and 'jp/jnz' still make sense.


> Do you think you could remember most of Z80 ASM?

I find when you learn things at 15 they tend to stick around. (Stuff I learned last week, not so much!) Even just looking at your example, I remembered that HL is a 16 bit register and you can split it into two 8 bit registers H and L if you want. I think most of it would come back; I wrote quite a lot of it, both for the TI-83 and later for a Z80 that I bought and put on a breadboard and wired up to some RAM and EEPROM, about as bare metal as it gets.

> most lines are messing around with the registers

Isn’t that just the nature of assembly? :)


Does this make Android the same as iOS now, in terms of how locked down it is?


Can you install different firmware/OS (tweaked and developed by others not sanctioned by apple) on your iPhone?

Can you install unlimited unsigned apps on iPhone?

If answer is "No", than No, android is still very far from as locked down as iOS


First they came for root privileges, but I didn't say anything because I hardly used it.

Then they came for F-Droid, and I didn't say anything because I don't know how to contact them.

Then ...


In USA, I personally get 3-5 spam phone calls and voicemails daily. Mostly all the same, like "your $20K loan is almost ready".

One time, I picked up, and it was this seemingly incredibly rude person who sounded real but continue talking in a pushy manner without stopping despite what I said.

It's insane getting so many calls all the time like I owe them a bunch of money or something. Anyone else get this?


This matches my experience.

The US seems to have completely given up on protecting its public phone network against abuse, while at the same time relying on phone numbers as the primary identifying key and authentication method for humans in countless business processes.

It took years (if not decades) of regulatory neglect to get that bad; I doubt there’s an easy fix at this point. It’s really concerning.


I suspect that the main reason is that politicians rely on the same mechanisms as robocallers and spammers, so they don't want to restrict it.

Sometimes, I get robocalls from local PACs, and they get automatically flagged as scams, because the dialer companies that the politicians use, are ones that also run outright scam campaigns, and get blacklisted.


> they get automatically flagged as scams, because the dialer companies that the politicians use

If it were possible to reliably determine the source of a call in the US phone network, spam wouldn't be an issue!

Theoretically, STIR/SHAKEN should enable that; practically, there are too many gaps to enforce it (importantly, it does not travel across TDM, i.e. non-VoIP, paths), so spammers still get away with it.


It's not a prefect system but I don't use a landline and set unknown incoming numbers to silent unless I'm actually expecting a call. Someone important trying to call can always leave a message but the spammers never have.


> Someone important trying to call can always leave a message

Curiously, it seems to have become a cultural touchstone not to leave a voicemail. I have had to educate people about this. My service is with Verizon, and for what I assume are historical reasons the caller will hear rings on their end even if my phone isn't receiving the call (AT&T does not have this issue). If you don't leave a voicemail, I literally have no way of knowing that you called. Said voicemail can be as simple as "call me".

I'm a physician, and the hospital where I do most of my work has a policy against sending PHI over text (a very reasonable policy). So many nurses are reluctant to text me anything, even when it's just "please call Adam on 3 South".


If people need to stop notifications for incoming calls/messages, I'd call that dysfunctional, not just suboptimal.

And what's worse is that even if this were to be fixed now, the reputational damage is already done, since many people will probably never change their devices back to ringing again.

> Someone important trying to call can always leave a message but the spammers never have.

My US mailbox is full of spam calls.


I haven't lived in the US for a long time so this may no longer be true, but when I did live there, putting my number on the do not call register actually helped a lot.


Doesn't seem to work for me.


That once worked.

Nowadays...not so much.


Weird, I get spam about 6 times per year. I've been on the do not call registry for years. My provider also made a bunch of anti-spam changes a while ago (at least a year) which stopped nearly all the remaining spam. To me is seems like this problem is solved.


Hm, I'm on a 2nd-party, not 1st-party, carrier like ATT/T-Mobile, maybe my provider lacks this protection.


One of the scams is to use AI to clone your voice, then call a relative to ask for money [1].

I used to answer and mess with the callers, but no longer do.

[1] https://www.mcafee.com/ai/news/ai-voice-scam/


I got 3 calls purportedly from hubspot in the last week, from 3 different caller ids. It wasn’t a robocall, the same voice. I just hung up the first two times and the third asked him to stop calling. Incredible. I only answered the calls because I was expecting a call from an unknown number.


Mind-reading brain implants. That's what he wants.


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