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How about banning Ticketmaster for the good.

>Contrarily, non-fiction tells it how it happened within the very reality I myself live in, subject to the same laws of nature and real psychology, and therefore, and only therefore, able to teach me something about real life on this earth.

This is me trying to pick up most bullshit written from humanities or arts; a 99% of it it's carefully crafted nonsense for ahem mainly emotionaly driven women and artsy people with very subjective opinions instead of accepting the reality as is.

Elaborated jokes OTOH can be trully clever and a good source of laughs and fun.

Also, Discworld from Pratchett, as they have obvious magical analogies to real life devices and scientific procedures.


How about short jokes, or Unix fortune files?

>I was a model student up until around puberty and middle school. Then, I think a combination of being bullied for being overweight and teenage hormones, led me to be just the wrong combination of resentful, angry, unhappy, and rebellious.

Myself, but I was just depressive until I got a PC, then I became a half-Hikkikomori until by brain exploded and seeked some nice metalheads around.

Logos/God/whatever bless that guy who gave me a Glam Rock/Metal CD at age 19/20, it changed my life a little for the good.

Metal and computers saved my life.

Except that I'm still unemployed even if I did tons of stuff after the advance trade (basic OOP Java/C# courses, Lisp, a bit of Docker and such...)

I even did some pre-college Math (calculus, discrete Math...) but no luck. Living and growing up in Spain sucks because almost no one would believe you that people can be a self-apprentice, here people it's very social-bounded (X does course-> Y joins it too). That's it.

My mentality it's more Atlantic than Mediterranean and I always had tons of conflcts.


My extracurricular activities were full of nerds (martial arts) with Play Stations and internet at home. So, as an owner of no inet or a console at home was pretty much hell from 2001 to 2005. Oh, and no cell phone until ~18.

The outcome? Really shitty social skills until I hit 27 or so. My dad really regreted what it did, and my mom become aware on how utterly shitty was to let a nerdy kid disconnected from their peers.


I've been there, but going to cybercafés instead of having an internet connection at home until very late. A simlar case with a mobile phone, having to use the one from my dad until I had 18.

I nearly ended up alone, as anynone would expected. Parents understood too late the value of sharing common culture points, up to the point to apologyze and feeling really desperate on the consecuences.

Cracking up wifi and such saved me up a little, but not much. I missed TONS of stuff and experiences. When I could finally got all the media and proper skills, it was really damn late.

Don't do this to your kids, then. Time doesn't roll back. Ever. Don't be a shitty narcisist parent and let your kids develop their OWN tastes.


I’m sorry this happened to you. However nothing in my reply implies cutting your children off from the world. Helping them avoid the harms of algorithmic feeds until they have developed the maturity to navigate them helps them be more connected to the world, not less.

With all due respect I think you are reading more there due to your own experiences, which sound like abuse, not parenting.


Indeed. But in the skills case, ahem, formally, in paper. When I did a finished and advanced trade (pre-University IT, syadmin role), I aced the results as I had plenty of time to even make small patches to BTTV to support my $ELCHEAPO Conceptronic TV card. Having no internet at home made me really 'roguery' on how to achieve stuff, from cracking cable TV to inspect DVB packets, hack cable modems and pirate wifi. No formal education, just by myself, and I could do a trade from age 23 to 27 being lazy as hell because everything was trivial as I could read tons of the bundled books in the Debian Sarge DVD's.

I became really competent on how to 'survive' offline and Unix skills, far more than even the best ones in the grade (and even some math skills from a first year of College, among Lisp), but with really bad social skills but better since I met my SO at age 23 which convinced me to earn a trade. But I'm still a bit depressive for what I suffered.

Parents, listen to your kids, listen to your kids instead of sending them to a therapist, that won't work. Help on their tastes, support them, don't be a hardcore Mc Scrooge Cheapskate. Spoiled kids are bad, OFC, but the polar opposite can be pretty much as dangerous if not more.

I coudn't even spend the money I had on Christmas on my own preferences since age 14 to 18, and I had to return a Chinese Megadrive console clone I won in a holyday lottery bingo in 1997 because you had to actually buy a separate cartridge.

I coudn't even buy cartridges for a NES I've got from my parents' friends because that was 'wasting money'. So, yes, I played all the games my peers got... about 7 years later, feeling myself more and more disconnected from the world and having to do huge efforst to switch from PC gaming and such back and forth. It was tiring. That would really burn you because you are like having to swtich back and forth from totally opposite cultures, my parents' one and my uncle/aunts' one.


Yeah I feel you. I didn't experience it as extreme as you, but it really sets its marks.

When I go to a store with my kids nowadays I let them spend 10% of what I buy. I whine a bit about buying too crappy plastic toys but that is it.

If they want some silly fruit or bouncy ball they get it.

I hope I don't overcompensate...


Well, you are overcompensating a little. Just let spend their earnings from allowances on anything they want.

How old are you? The internets were way more nice when we were kids. Not in the no 4chan edgelord way but the not toxic algorithmic way.

There is no way feeding YT etc. to kids is at any way good for them, their parents, humanity and so on.

edit: And yes, I agree with you.


Or: if you do this, go live in a community where this is the norm. No, it's not possible for everyone. But then again we can't all have nice things.

Kids under a walled garden until they hit adulthood. Enjoy your surveillance systems on everyone and no way to behave themselves with their own criteria. A recipe for a disaster and to get adults back to the consumer world of the 90's. No more MSN or AOL like networks for teen creating their own contents, nothing like MySpace or similar. Just tons of bullshit from corporatons to get their money stolen from.

Kids at 14 will be really good crackers and hackers in order to escape the media hell the late 90's and early 00's where across the world. In that era I suffered shitty movies, shitty music, even shitter console ports... until 2003 or such. We had no issues on PC's with P2P sharing good media and libre gaming, generating a semi-enlightened generation of people, something the corporate goverment it's really scared of.

When your content are good webcomics, indie music instead of the ones from Pentagon brainwashing machines called the Marvel saga from Disney, suddenly there are no more idiots joining the Army. Ditto with labor laws, or shitty famiy issues in Spain where everyone cheers them with a coat of dark humour in sitcoms, such as the -mandatory by law- care of the elderly from either their children or relatives (son-in-laws). Yes, TV's did brainwash us with tons of outdated Southern Europe lore as if it were normal, such as the RPG panic in TV and printed press -in the 90's they almost were The Gospel AKA the only valid source of information- while dumping ton of money on alcohol advertising for the young adult in mostly teen related series.

What's the point of this in Spain? Well, easy: they wanted to create a society built upon bars, cheap tourism and to slay down any IT based backgrund so Spain was the cheap source of shitty holidays for Middle Europe.

You know, the constructions lobbies in Spain among the tourism and restaurant/bar ones manage tons of money there. Remote work: no offices needed, estate and constructions companies losing billions of money. The only CEO from a UK multinational against remote work was the Spaniard one. It was fired over months. Period. UK companies don't give a shit on Spanish mafias related to construction and such.

It's the exact same bullshit you are getting with Meta wanting ID control everywere, so they can exploit age related media with verified users instead of bots making FB/Meta useless for advertising. It's all about money and controlling the society.

So, I'm tired of this crap, really tired. I'm fighting at 39 the same crap I fought at 19 with software freedom and non bullshit media.

To hell with these nuts. They want to drive the lifes of teens to create controlled adults. Dear Austrialian media CEO's, you are doomed.


You think your children are “yours”? No, you’re a custodian. You raise their future workforce. Don’t step out of line.

How about people belong to neither their parents nor the government, but they still have to be raised in some way by someone?

I’m not an idealist myself. Simply telling where we are. It’s always been like that.

Lmao, brutal truth but yeah.

Wake up folks - there’s nothing you can do. People know Zuckerberg is a horrible human but carry on using his products anyway.

The vast majority of people just don’t care as long as they have enough goods around them to keep them distracted.

The smart people accept the reality and try to get ahead of it.


There's a difference between the internet in the 90s and today, though.

If those of us fortunate enough to have experienced the early-ish days of the internet grew up using 5 platforms, we probably wouldn't be so nostalgic.

Beating back big tech and their grip has to be priority number 1 into reclaiming the intenrnet.

Nobody bats an eyelid at how gambling sites block out kids. We should be pushing for a world where big tech ad platforms have to play by the same rules as them. Create -EV in society, and get severely regged.

The issue is going to be when draconian rules filter down to the smaller independent sites. i.e. iris scan for 4chan, or get a few rubber stamps across gov departments to open a message board, etc.

Responsiblity has to increase with scale. We can't let nation state tier entities run algos on the youth, it's just madness.

The changes are happening, and shouting 'noooooooooooooo' isn't going to help anybody. Let facebook et al burn under regs, fuck em. The battle is in trying to protect and support the independent internet.


Correct.

The right framing is govt vs big tech.

If you support the latter over the former you are an idiot.


How about no govt or corpos? Just ask the damn ISP to provide filtered DNS' and just don't give any smarphone to children until they hit 14-15.

>no gov >no corpo (aren't most ISPs corpos?)

I'd like to plot 'quality of government' vs 'quality of ISPs' on the market. Do the most anarachist/libertarian nations have OP tier internet with 0 censorship? Do the usual suspects in the top 10 of every quality of life measure push for censorship at every step?

Wonder what the outliers are.

Think I might like the idea of 'youth' simcards which have to be bought by parents. No censorship by parents, but they can sign away censorship and data limits/DNS blocking for kids? Is it even possible to enforce this is parents don't have similar restrictions?


Luxferre.top has some Janet based softwrae.

Any gopher client can do finger too:

      finger london@graph.no
 
     lynx gopher://graph.no:79/0/London


We should ask Stuart Hameroff for help then.


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