I've used Windows since 3.11 and I am using macOS for 5+ years now for work (requirement).

Switched to Linux on my personal devices 2 years ago and using Ubuntu and PopOS! on two different laptops. I've had very small number of issues. Can't understand people moving to Mac - it is the same messed half backed OS as both Windows and Linux (flavors). With the llms these days, any linux issue is fixable within minutes.

With Linux at least I don't have to worry about privacy.

Yes!

> With the llms these days, any linux issue is fixable within minutes. I think this point is really it. What in the past needed a 40min google search to fix something, llms now fix it in seconds.

Why the f this was downvoted? Literally from the article:

> Tesla has indicated it will appeal the verdict to a higher court.

Generally the people here are extremely against Musk so most things that are said which are positive, even if true, will get downvoted.

With OpenClaw we are seeing how the app layer becomes as important as the model layer.

You can switch models multiple times (online/proprietary, open weight, local), but you have one UI : OpenClaw.

> You can switch models multiple times (online/proprietary, open weight, local), but you have one UI : OpenClaw.

It’s only been a couple months. I guarantee people will be switching apps as others become the new hot thing.

We saw the same claims when Cursor was popular. Same claims when Claude Code was the current topic. Users are changing their app layer all the time and trying new things.

Memory. I have built up so many scripts and crons and integrated little programs and memories with open claw it would be difficult to migrate to some other system.

System of record and all.

Considering you have built them all in last few weeks, it should not be that difficult and no reason other systems won't reuse same.

Exactly! The whole point of personal agents is that the data is yours and it's where you want it not in someone's cloud. What harness you use to work with this should be a matter of preference and not one of lock in.

The future will be ownership of our memories and data. AI companies will fight tooth and nail to keep that data walled in and impossible to export.

I agree. This is why I think Google has the long term advantage. They already have so much data. I can ask Gemini a question and it'll reference an email I sent a month ago.

It's an edge but I think it's going to become hard to gate data as they do. Soon our AI assistants will see and hear everything we see and hear in real-time. All of that will be ingested somewhere. Google can't prevent us from recording the things we see and hear.

Perhaps the competitive moat of the future will be time critical access to data. Google likely gets new data faster than everyone else, and they could use this time arbitrage in products like news, finance, research, etc.

If regulators force the capability of exporting to exist, what ya gonna do?

I continue to find it amusing that people really think corporates are really holding power. No - they are holding power granted to them by the government of the state.

Remind me why Zuck et al had to kiss the ring.

Very often, the regulators don't. Here in the US, half the country would refinance their mortgage for iMessage interoperability... if it were possible. Any time regulators reach for the "stop monopoly" button, Tim Cook screeches like a rhesus monkey and drops a press release about how many terrorists Apple stops.

If lobbying was illegal then you might have a point here, but alas.

Since it's already not walled-in in most cases I don't see this happening very effectively.

Using openrouter+kilocode I can simply switch between different providers' models and not miss out on anything.

How hard do you think it would be for ai to generate all those for some alternative?

AI didn't do the work, I did. Building up context is the part we actually have to put work into. I'm not saying it would be impossible, but boy would it be annoying to have to constantly reach a new assistant about your whole life.

"Here's my corpus of records from OpenClaw. Please parse it and organize into your own memories" boom done

Why are you assuming you'd have to do the work yourself?

This is a perfect use case for a new agent to query the old agent and get the details.

You could have OpenClaw summarize and export them into a format that the new one wants.

Maybe the new agents will be designed to be compatible with OpenClaw's style.

There is no reason to believe that you're locked in to something.

You can use OpenClaw to migrate these scripts off OpenClaw.

There will definitely be migration tools.

The new agents might have a feature to query your old agents for a migration.

That said, I find it really hard to believe that you've generated so much work in the past few weeks since OpenClaw launched that you could never migrate to something else. It hasn't been that long.

Unless I am mistaken, that is all plain old markdown, arguably the easiest to migrate format for such data there can possible be.

Heck, that was half the pitch behind Obsidian, even if the project someday ended, markdown would remain. And switching between Obsidian and e.g. Logseq shows the ease of doing so.

Sorry but for $5 in credits you can have an agent port over all your bullshit to the next fad. I'll have one port over all my bullshit when the time comes too.

Bring your system to my records.

The irony of systems of record is that if there is more than one, there are effectively none. Just data stuck in silos waiting for compute.

This effect isn't that important while the customer base is growing fast.

Have you heard about this thing called AI coding agent....

Indeed, coding agents took off because of a lot of ongoing trial and error on how to build the harness as much as model quality.

This is the sort of thing employers are failing on. They sign contracts that assume employees are going to be logging in and asking questions directly.

But if I don’t have a url for my IDE (or whatever) to call, it isn’t useful.

So I use Ollama. It’s less helpful, but ensure confidentiality and compliance.

There’s actually many UI’s now? See moltis, rowboat, and various others that are popping up daily

I think the point was about the frequency of switching your frontend. With a proper frontend you can switch the backend on each request if you want, but usually people will stay with one main-interface of their choice. For AI, OpenClaw, Moltic, Rowboat are now such a frontend, but not many will use them all at once.

It's similar to how people usually only use one preferred browser, editor, shell, OS.

Are there any with a credible approach to security, privacy and prompt injections?

Does any credible approach to prompt injection even exist?

Anyone who figures out a reliable solution would probably never have to work again.

Not that I'm aware of, but I probably won't be interested in these kinds of assistants until there are.

It’s only 2 months and there are already a rush of viable alternatives, from smaller, lightweight versions, to hosted, managed SaaS alternatives.

I’d suspect the moat here will be just as fragile as every other layer

openclaw is just one of many now, there are new ones weekly.

Plus you can get the model to write you a bespoke one that suits your needs.

I've been digging into how Heartbeat works in Openclaw to bring directly into Vibetunnel, another of Peter's projects

And OpenClaw is nothing revolutionary. It’s all shit we could do before OpenClaw. It’s just that no one was stupid enough to do it. Now everyone has gone crazy.

AI is the new Javascript?

Why?

You can literally ask codex to build a slim version for you overnight.

I love OpenClaw, but I really don't think there is anything that can't be cloned.

Well, duh.

You being able to go places is the interesting thing, your car having wheels is just a subservient prerequisite.

Seems like models become commoditized?

Same for OpenClaw, it will be commodity soon if you don't think it is already

It appears to me that the same people who think “vibe coding” is a great idea, are the same people who think “Gas Town” is the future, and “OpenClaw” detractors are just falling behind.

For your sake, I’m not saying they’re wrong. I’m just pointing out something I’ve noticed.

I'm not generally opposed to the idea, I'm just looking at the output and seeing tokens burnt to produce slop projects. I'd imagine a bunch of basic, non-coding tasks may be more tractable, but a quick look at /shownew ought to reduce anxiety

My personal approach is to start from minimal, push that as far as I can, keep the human in the loop so I know how good it actually is, then find ways that have a better overall ROI. I'm performing similar loops to clawd/ralph manually, with my attention paid.

It's definitely not right now. What else has the feature list and docs even resembling it?

OpenClaw has mediocre docs, from my perspective on some average over many years using 100s of open source projects.

I think Anthropic's docs are better. Best to keep sampling from the buffet than to pick a main course yet, imo.

There's also a ton of real experiences being conveyed on social that never make it to docs. I've gotten as much value and insights from those as any documentation site.

OpenClaw has only been in the news for a few weeks. Why would you assume it’s going to be the only game in town?

Early adopters are some of the least sticky users. As soon as something new arrives with claims of better features, better security, or better architecture then the next new thing will become the popular topic.

Not sure. I mean the tech yes definitely.

But the community not.

The community is tiny by any measure (beyond the niche), market penetration is still very very early

Anthropic's community, I assume, is much bigger. How hard it is for them to offer something close enough for their users?

> Anthropic's community, I assume, is much bigger. How hard it is for them to offer something close enough for their users?

Not gonna lie, that’s exactly the potential scenario I am personally excited for. Not due to any particular love for Anthropic, but because I expect this type of a tight competition to be very good for trying a lot of fresh new things and the subsequent discovery process of new ideas and what works.

My main gripe is that it feels more like land grabbing than discovery

Stories like this reinforce my bias

It has already been so with ppq.ai (pay per query dot AI)

I mean, ppq.ai (which I’ve never heard of) had zero to do with the commoditisation of LLMs. The industry did that. And services like OpenRouter are far more serious and responsible in this area than this ppq.ai is.

This is the underrated risk that nobody talks about enough. We've already seen it play out with the Codex deprecation, the GPT-4 behavior drift saga, and every time Anthropic bumps a model version.

The practical workaround most teams land on is treating the model as a swappable component behind a thick abstraction layer. Pin to a specific model version, run evals on every new release, and only upgrade when your test suite passes. But that's expensive engineering overhead that shouldn't be necessary.

What's missing is something like semantic versioning for model behavior. If a provider could guarantee "this model will produce outputs within X similarity threshold of the previous version for your use case," you could actually build with confidence. Instead we get "we improved the model" and your carefully tuned prompts break in ways you discover from user complaints three days later.

? We saw this years/months ago with Claude Code and Cursor.

That’s missing the point. OpenClaw is just one of many apps in its class. It, too, will fall out of favor as the next big thing arrives.

This has been the case since the beginning of last year imo

What’s the moat exactly?

None. That's why joining openai is the perfect fit.

Really hoped you'd say Linux next.

We should be able to make it available for Linux very soon as well!

> For example, in the UK sophisticated gangs steal cars and phones and ship them around the world where they're resold.

This does not happen almost anywhere else - car theft. This is UK issue with local law enforcement / insurance companies.

Phones - just fix your streets, elect politicians that are tough on crime. Simple.

I was curious - Wikipedia says England is not even close to the highest per capita car theft rate. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_theft

"No deal has been signed" per Elon Musk's post on X just now.

Wait, the music mafia industry is finally getting out-mafia-ed?

There is a friendly warning here from Groq: https://wow.groq.com/hey-elon-its-time-to-cease-de-grok/

Is it safe to say, 4 months later, that Elon is ignoring this? I assume there hasn't been any kind of response or further action taken yet.

> Which is the only valuable thing Twitter (X) has left. reply

They have a very valuable user base (all kinds of world leaders for example), so the data is not the only valuable thing they have.

That’s actually more valuable. Twitters data of small format text is awful for training. Best to just exclude it.

There are hundreds of millions of people on Twitter, and a few of them are very smart. I don’t see how that helps here though.

It doesn't help here. But the person your responding to is just pushing back against the "Elon destroyed Twitter and there's nothing left" narrative.

I don’t see difference here.

Userbase and their social networks and interactions is the data.

They don’t have much value from advertising point of view anymore.